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Do your views on smoking cannabis apply to alcohol as well? Or do you adapt a more reasonable appropriate time and place for that type of drug? I not sure if

Do your views on smoking cannabis apply to alcohol as well? Or do you adapt a more reasonable appropriate time and place for that type of drug? I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. But cannabis and other drugs change the way people think, and that can be good or bad depending on many factors. Have people created great creative works under the influence of cannabis? Yes. Would they have been better art if the artist had not consumed cannabis? Maybe not. I know high functioning executives and parents who work and take care of family all day and eat an edible to go to sleep. And on Sunday night, they might smoke a joint and eat a meal with friends and discuss their next book or investment in between diaper changes.

rapind 3y ago
> eat an edible to go to sleep. I could care less if people get high, but as a general principle I will never consume a drug to help me sleep unless there’s a really good (doctor consulted) reason. I think we’re just setting ourselves up for an unhealthy dependence when we do that. (besides weed always had the opposite effect on me)
- zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
  I wake up at least 4 times a night and get horrible sleep unless I eat an edible before bed. Just 5mg THC helps me sleep through the night. I just started regularly consuming marijuana this past year and it's been great as a sleep aid. I've tried a couple of prescription drugs and they make me feel awful.
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    Jut an FYI, weed makes sleep quality worse. Also, your tolerance will build up over time. 5mg THC won't work in the future. You'll have to up it to 10mg, then 15, then 30 and so on.
    - Perenti 3y ago
      Not always true. I'm prescribed medical CBD, THC and flowers, and pure indica strains help with sleep. Sativa is as you say, it makes sleep worse. Without "Spectrum Red #1" I sleep in 2 hour shifts. I consume about 0.3 gm (whole herb vaporiser) around 9pm, by 11pm I'm asleep for 6-8 hours. Most importantly, I don't wake wishing I'd died in my sleep. Note that I'm on CBD, so I don't get "psychotic" side effects. I also have some 30%THC Sativa that is used to get me going to do things. I can find more reason to push through pain and move more, which in the longer term reduces the impacts of pain and suffering. I've seen what you've posted about your experience, and if I'd met you in real life I'd have told you "You know you're probably the kind of person who should never use cannabis". I've said that to a few people over the years. Eventually they agree with me. Sadly it's sometimes after they've fucked their lives irrevocably. Cannabis does not do that to _most_ people though, as they use it non-compulsively.
      - aurareturn 3y ago
        Weed lowers sleep quality and completely destroys REM sleep. There are numerous studies confirming this. Over time, your brain and body will be deprived of good quality sleep. If you met me in real life before I was an addict, you’d think that I’m the most ambitious person, sharp thinker, completely normal with no mental issues. No alcohol addiction. Never done any drugs. Never smoked cigarettes. You wouldn’t think of me as someone who should never use weed. That’s what’s scary about weed addiction. PS. There’s almost no difference between a sativa and indica anymore. They’re all hybrids. Most of the time, it’s just placebo. That’s why edibles don’t label whether it’s sativa or indica. Just THC content.
  - tchaffee 3y ago
    There is some evidence it interferes with REM sleep and stops you from dreaming. I've often wondered if the folks who it helps with sleeping have disturbing dreams. You might consider taking occasional breaks. Vivid dreams are reported when folks quit.
nyolfen 3y ago
this discourse is like people reading an invisible script every time i've seen it online for the last 20 years -- "weed causes <some negative effect>", followed by a chorus of, "oh yeah well what about alcohol!?!"
- aurareturn 3y ago
  Yes, it's annoying to debate weed here because everyone will try to bring up alcohol. Just because alcohol is bad for you, doesn't mean weed is good for you.
aurareturn 3y ago
It's easier to get addicted to weed than alcohol in my opinion. Alcohol addiction is very noticeable. People around you also notice. Alcohol will destroy both your mind and body. You're much more likely to be aware that you're addicted to alcohol than weed. Weed addiction is slower. It starts out as only beneficial - until it isn't. Weed will only affect your mind. Unlike alcohol, it won't directly do physical harm to your body. The negative effects to your body from weed is indirect - such as getting lazy, munchies, etc. >I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. This has to be a joke right? Do you have family members who are below 18? If you truly believe what you said, you'd allow them to smoke weed and go to class.
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. What's so bad about being lazy? What's wrong with eating certain kinds of food? What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction?
  - aurareturn 3y ago
    When I quit smoking weed, I reflected on the reasons why I decided to quit. Since HN is mostly pro-weed use, I will most likely get downvoted. But it doesn't matter. I was staunchly on the pro-weed side just a few weeks ago as well until I started reading the downsides and realized that most applied to me and I was an addict. I was a "responsible" user early on as well. Perhaps this post will help someone else here realize the same. Here they are: 1. Having a higher IQ 2. Actually getting REM sleep and feeling rested 3. Being able to remember stuff instead of forgetting everything. Even simple things like where I left the keys. 4. Not eating junk food and getting fat 5. Not looking extremely unattractive because I'm fat 6. Actually care about how I look 7. Being able to spend time with people who don't smoke weed. I lost touch with so many successful people because I only wanted to hang out with other stoners. 8. Having motivation and ambition again 9. Not revolving my life around getting high 10. Being a responsible son, friend, boyfriend, employee 11. Being able to work towards the life I actually want 12. Having better lung health 13. Not making my brain smaller 14. Saving money 15. Having dreams again. Both dreams when I'm asleep and dreams when I'm awake. 16. Not dealing with shady dealers (still illegal where I'm) 17. Not trying to convince sober friends to smoke with me and then having them politely decline my invitation 18. Not feeling like life is passing by while I'm high 19. Not having to hide the fact that I smoke weed from my parents, siblings 20. Not spending a huge amount of time on video games, pointless Youtube videos, and doom scrolling while I'm high 21. Not being antisocial 22. Not staying home by myself from 6pm - 2am getting high every evening 23. Not having to put "420 friendly" in my dating profile 24. Not putting off responsibilities 25. Not procrastinate to the max 26. Not having random paranoia while high 27. Not thinking about how I can get weed when I'm planning a trip 28. Not ignoring messages from old friends and family members because I'm more interested in getting high 29. Having a body that isn't built on junk food 30. Not spending an enormous amount of time researching strains and ways to smoke >What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction? I don't know. I don't have enough experience/thoughts on this.

rapind 3y ago

> eat an edible to go to sleep. I could care less if people get high, but as a general principle I will never consume a drug to help me sleep unless there’s a really good (doctor consulted) reason. I think we’re just setting ourselves up for an unhealthy dependence when we do that. (besides weed always had the opposite effect on me)

zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago
I wake up at least 4 times a night and get horrible sleep unless I eat an edible before bed. Just 5mg THC helps me sleep through the night. I just started regularly consuming marijuana this past year and it's been great as a sleep aid. I've tried a couple of prescription drugs and they make me feel awful.
- aurareturn 3y ago
  Jut an FYI, weed makes sleep quality worse. Also, your tolerance will build up over time. 5mg THC won't work in the future. You'll have to up it to 10mg, then 15, then 30 and so on.
  - Perenti 3y ago
    Not always true. I'm prescribed medical CBD, THC and flowers, and pure indica strains help with sleep. Sativa is as you say, it makes sleep worse. Without "Spectrum Red #1" I sleep in 2 hour shifts. I consume about 0.3 gm (whole herb vaporiser) around 9pm, by 11pm I'm asleep for 6-8 hours. Most importantly, I don't wake wishing I'd died in my sleep. Note that I'm on CBD, so I don't get "psychotic" side effects. I also have some 30%THC Sativa that is used to get me going to do things. I can find more reason to push through pain and move more, which in the longer term reduces the impacts of pain and suffering. I've seen what you've posted about your experience, and if I'd met you in real life I'd have told you "You know you're probably the kind of person who should never use cannabis". I've said that to a few people over the years. Eventually they agree with me. Sadly it's sometimes after they've fucked their lives irrevocably. Cannabis does not do that to _most_ people though, as they use it non-compulsively.
    - aurareturn 3y ago
      Weed lowers sleep quality and completely destroys REM sleep. There are numerous studies confirming this. Over time, your brain and body will be deprived of good quality sleep. If you met me in real life before I was an addict, you’d think that I’m the most ambitious person, sharp thinker, completely normal with no mental issues. No alcohol addiction. Never done any drugs. Never smoked cigarettes. You wouldn’t think of me as someone who should never use weed. That’s what’s scary about weed addiction. PS. There’s almost no difference between a sativa and indica anymore. They’re all hybrids. Most of the time, it’s just placebo. That’s why edibles don’t label whether it’s sativa or indica. Just THC content.
- tchaffee 3y ago
  There is some evidence it interferes with REM sleep and stops you from dreaming. I've often wondered if the folks who it helps with sleeping have disturbing dreams. You might consider taking occasional breaks. Vivid dreams are reported when folks quit.

nyolfen 3y ago

this discourse is like people reading an invisible script every time i've seen it online for the last 20 years -- "weed causes <some negative effect>", followed by a chorus of, "oh yeah well what about alcohol!?!"

aurareturn 3y ago
Yes, it's annoying to debate weed here because everyone will try to bring up alcohol. Just because alcohol is bad for you, doesn't mean weed is good for you.

aurareturn 3y ago

It's easier to get addicted to weed than alcohol in my opinion. Alcohol addiction is very noticeable. People around you also notice. Alcohol will destroy both your mind and body. You're much more likely to be aware that you're addicted to alcohol than weed. Weed addiction is slower. It starts out as only beneficial - until it isn't. Weed will only affect your mind. Unlike alcohol, it won't directly do physical harm to your body. The negative effects to your body from weed is indirect - such as getting lazy, munchies, etc. >I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. This has to be a joke right? Do you have family members who are below 18? If you truly believe what you said, you'd allow them to smoke weed and go to class.

candiddevmike 3y ago
You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. What's so bad about being lazy? What's wrong with eating certain kinds of food? What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction?
- aurareturn 3y ago
  When I quit smoking weed, I reflected on the reasons why I decided to quit. Since HN is mostly pro-weed use, I will most likely get downvoted. But it doesn't matter. I was staunchly on the pro-weed side just a few weeks ago as well until I started reading the downsides and realized that most applied to me and I was an addict. I was a "responsible" user early on as well. Perhaps this post will help someone else here realize the same. Here they are: 1. Having a higher IQ 2. Actually getting REM sleep and feeling rested 3. Being able to remember stuff instead of forgetting everything. Even simple things like where I left the keys. 4. Not eating junk food and getting fat 5. Not looking extremely unattractive because I'm fat 6. Actually care about how I look 7. Being able to spend time with people who don't smoke weed. I lost touch with so many successful people because I only wanted to hang out with other stoners. 8. Having motivation and ambition again 9. Not revolving my life around getting high 10. Being a responsible son, friend, boyfriend, employee 11. Being able to work towards the life I actually want 12. Having better lung health 13. Not making my brain smaller 14. Saving money 15. Having dreams again. Both dreams when I'm asleep and dreams when I'm awake. 16. Not dealing with shady dealers (still illegal where I'm) 17. Not trying to convince sober friends to smoke with me and then having them politely decline my invitation 18. Not feeling like life is passing by while I'm high 19. Not having to hide the fact that I smoke weed from my parents, siblings 20. Not spending a huge amount of time on video games, pointless Youtube videos, and doom scrolling while I'm high 21. Not being antisocial 22. Not staying home by myself from 6pm - 2am getting high every evening 23. Not having to put "420 friendly" in my dating profile 24. Not putting off responsibilities 25. Not procrastinate to the max 26. Not having random paranoia while high 27. Not thinking about how I can get weed when I'm planning a trip 28. Not ignoring messages from old friends and family members because I'm more interested in getting high 29. Having a body that isn't built on junk food 30. Not spending an enormous amount of time researching strains and ways to smoke >What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction? I don't know. I don't have enough experience/thoughts on this.