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Wich version of the game did they use for their tests? At launch it was very bad, but it got a little bit better with their latest update It's a decent game ov

Wich version of the game did they use for their tests? At launch it was very bad, but it got a little bit better with their latest update It's a decent game overall, but it's a Bethesda game, I expected something much better I feel like Bethesda became a shadow of its past, I don't know if the Oblivion devs are still there, I would guess not, wich might explain the issues I have with the game, both technically (bugs/performance) and gameplay wise (shallow/simplistic combat, poor AI, surface level RPG elements) With this new IP I wished they'd have learned from their past games and offered something with more punch.. the game is currently at ~72% positive review on steam [1], they definitely missed the mark I hope they'll do better with TES 6, the lack of true open world in Starfield doesn't inspire confidence tbh [1] - https://steamdb.info/app/1716740/ https://steamdb.info/app/1716740/

8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
It feels like several of the legendary old school RPG shops all switched to playing it safe around the same time. Blizzard, Bioware, Bethesda.. It's a bummer if you grew up playing their games and still have fond, visceral memories of how they made you feel at the time. Fortunately companies like Larian are picking up the slack.
etempleton 3y ago
I just feel like they are going for something slightly different with Starfield. While they all share a certain DNA, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Starfield all have different areas of emphasis. I would suspect the next Elder Scrolls would lean heavier into the RPG elements and I hope the next Fallout puts more of an emphasis on VATs. The poor shooting in Fallout 3 actually made VATS a requirement that was really rewarding when you got it right.
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blargey 3y ago
It's more or less exactly what I expected at this point. 90% of effort/resources into adding more quests and locations, 10% into brushing up surface-level graphics stuff and jiggling the minigames a bit, 0% into "fundamentals" like core gameplay and artistic polish. The only thing Bethesda has been ambitious about this past decade is content volume.
karim79 3y ago
I fully agree with your assessment. In terms of annoyances, so far the only complaints I have after six hours of play on the XSX would be: - (Bug) Enemies in the cookie-cutter "abandoned" facilities being able to shoot me through the very thick airlocks. - I keep getting kicked out when I try to rush the airlock and get into the facility. At which point the magic weapons get me through the doors (even when shut). - "Abandoned" always means occupied by bad guys who have displaced the good guys who were doing research (or other things) there. So call such places "reoccupied" or something. There are space baddies there, it's not abandoned. - We have spaceships which can jump light years at a time. Can we please have binoculars, or did humanity forget how to craft those in this universe? - I guess when Earth got completely destroyed by humanity, so did the ancient art of cartography. Or maps of cities occupied by humans need space subscriptions which are just too damned expensive and/or have too much advertising going on in them. - Having to commit to a skill (like lockpicking (security?) before being able to try it out. - We can't just email someone to have a conversation with them. We must travel light years and then find them without the help of...a map. Still, I'll probably end up sinking more hours than I want to count into this game.
tomtheelder 3y ago
I think all of those issues you listed were absolutely present in the Morrowind/Oblivion period. Really I don’t think it’s that Bethesda is a shadow of its former self. I think it’s that Bethesda still is its former self. The industry and our expectations have moved, but they really haven’t.
- kmlx 3y ago
  i feel the same way. starfield feels and plays like a game from the ps4 era. those loading screens gave it away in the first few minutes.
tstrimple 3y ago
> "It's a decent game overall, but it's a Bethesda game, I expected something much better" You're right. It's a Bethesda game. Which means it's full of bugs and easy to fix issues that Bethesda will completely ignore because they rely on the modding community to fix their garbage code. Very few other game makers have communities dedicated to fixing their bugs via mods. Buggy Bethesda games is basically a meme at this point. The Girlfriend Reviews take is pretty much on point here for most Bethesda games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMxZdM-2bI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMxZdM-2bI

8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago

It feels like several of the legendary old school RPG shops all switched to playing it safe around the same time. Blizzard, Bioware, Bethesda.. It's a bummer if you grew up playing their games and still have fond, visceral memories of how they made you feel at the time. Fortunately companies like Larian are picking up the slack.

etempleton 3y ago

I just feel like they are going for something slightly different with Starfield. While they all share a certain DNA, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, and Starfield all have different areas of emphasis. I would suspect the next Elder Scrolls would lean heavier into the RPG elements and I hope the next Fallout puts more of an emphasis on VATs. The poor shooting in Fallout 3 actually made VATS a requirement that was really rewarding when you got it right.

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blargey 3y ago

It's more or less exactly what I expected at this point. 90% of effort/resources into adding more quests and locations, 10% into brushing up surface-level graphics stuff and jiggling the minigames a bit, 0% into "fundamentals" like core gameplay and artistic polish. The only thing Bethesda has been ambitious about this past decade is content volume.

karim79 3y ago

I fully agree with your assessment. In terms of annoyances, so far the only complaints I have after six hours of play on the XSX would be: - (Bug) Enemies in the cookie-cutter "abandoned" facilities being able to shoot me through the very thick airlocks. - I keep getting kicked out when I try to rush the airlock and get into the facility. At which point the magic weapons get me through the doors (even when shut). - "Abandoned" always means occupied by bad guys who have displaced the good guys who were doing research (or other things) there. So call such places "reoccupied" or something. There are space baddies there, it's not abandoned. - We have spaceships which can jump light years at a time. Can we please have binoculars, or did humanity forget how to craft those in this universe? - I guess when Earth got completely destroyed by humanity, so did the ancient art of cartography. Or maps of cities occupied by humans need space subscriptions which are just too damned expensive and/or have too much advertising going on in them. - Having to commit to a skill (like lockpicking (security?) before being able to try it out. - We can't just email someone to have a conversation with them. We must travel light years and then find them without the help of...a map. Still, I'll probably end up sinking more hours than I want to count into this game.

tomtheelder 3y ago

I think all of those issues you listed were absolutely present in the Morrowind/Oblivion period. Really I don’t think it’s that Bethesda is a shadow of its former self. I think it’s that Bethesda still is its former self. The industry and our expectations have moved, but they really haven’t.

kmlx 3y ago
i feel the same way. starfield feels and plays like a game from the ps4 era. those loading screens gave it away in the first few minutes.

tstrimple 3y ago

> "It's a decent game overall, but it's a Bethesda game, I expected something much better" You're right. It's a Bethesda game. Which means it's full of bugs and easy to fix issues that Bethesda will completely ignore because they rely on the modding community to fix their garbage code. Very few other game makers have communities dedicated to fixing their bugs via mods. Buggy Bethesda games is basically a meme at this point. The Girlfriend Reviews take is pretty much on point here for most Bethesda games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMxZdM-2bI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEMxZdM-2bI