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I’m glad someone else feels this way. I absolutely hate those YouTube videos talking about the “4K 30min total render” bs. Show me a M-chip MacBook that doesn’t

I’m glad someone else feels this way. I absolutely hate those YouTube videos talking about the “4K 30min total render” bs. Show me a M-chip MacBook that doesn’t balk when running Docker, or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm. Sure the chips are fast when they run the stuff Apple designed for it, but they don’t seem any faster to me in my work. I will give them efficiency though. I love not having to carry the charge brick everywhere I go.

throwaway2990 3y ago
I have a 14” M2 which has been up 52 days with docker running in the background, and Rider and Clion. And it runs better than my DELL XPS 15 which heats the room.
DanHulton 3y ago
I mean, the M1 chip in my Macbook Pro runs absolute circles around the Intel one that I had in the previous generation, and they were released within a year of each other, so... I honestly do not know what you're talking about.
- happymellon 3y ago
  That's not a high bar. I'm still stuck on the 2019 MacBook Pro for work, and it is significantly slower and hotter than my ThinkPad with Linux that I use for hobby programming. Whenever I open IntelliJ on it I can feel the temperature of the room increase. The Intel Macs were terrible for many years.
  - chrbr 3y ago
    Cannot wait for my Intel MBP to be refreshed into an M2 at work. Running Docker turns it into a jet engine. Like having a white noise machine with an unpleasant tone that also generates a ton of heat.
    - happymellon 3y ago
      Moreso than the noise, the touchbar at the back can become too hot to touch and the plastic strip around the screen, where MacBook Pro is printed, is bubbling and peeling away with the heat.
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        I love how apple considers my skin part of the cooling solution. If it wasn't for legal limits, they would absolutely just burn people, sell a laptop cooling mat for $100, and tell people they are using laptops wrong.
    - lbourdages 3y ago
      I went from a Core i9 to an M1 Max and it's been a world of difference. Performance is great, it runs my dual 4K screens with scaling (3008x1692, virtual resolution 6016x3384) without a sweat, and the battery lasts forever.
kaba0 3y ago
Wtf, you do realize software is so wide-reaching (even just on “limited ios”), you can’t meaningfully optimize for that at the goddamn CPU level. Like what, this is not some embedded chip in a happy meal toy that plays a single dumb game alone - there is crypto, graphics, everything necessary for an OS. Docker sucks because it is a linux-ism, not any other reason. And I think most people would disagree with your notion, it really does run circles around basically every other laptop.
jasonjmcghee 3y ago
Personal anecdote- Neither my M1 Air (personal) or M2 Pro (work) have any trouble with docker and jetbrains. Fans don't even turn on on the M2. Both have apple silicon builds now, but it and a lot of other software built for Intel ran at similar performance or better (compared to Intel MacBook / Thinkpad). I understand why people hate apple, but I've never heard anyone say this (what op said) who has had similar setups. It works a hell of a lot better than my X1 Carbon did.
rsynnott 3y ago
> or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm. It'd be worth checking that you're not using an Intel version of WebStorm. I've personally found IntelliJ (largely the same thing as WebStorm) on the M1 to be _extremely_ fast, certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the old Intel Macs. That's the native version, though; via Rosetta it is absolutely painful (the JVM is close to a worst-case for Rosetta).

throwaway2990 3y ago

I have a 14” M2 which has been up 52 days with docker running in the background, and Rider and Clion. And it runs better than my DELL XPS 15 which heats the room.

DanHulton 3y ago

I mean, the M1 chip in my Macbook Pro runs absolute circles around the Intel one that I had in the previous generation, and they were released within a year of each other, so... I honestly do not know what you're talking about.

happymellon 3y ago
That's not a high bar. I'm still stuck on the 2019 MacBook Pro for work, and it is significantly slower and hotter than my ThinkPad with Linux that I use for hobby programming. Whenever I open IntelliJ on it I can feel the temperature of the room increase. The Intel Macs were terrible for many years.
- chrbr 3y ago
  Cannot wait for my Intel MBP to be refreshed into an M2 at work. Running Docker turns it into a jet engine. Like having a white noise machine with an unpleasant tone that also generates a ton of heat.
  - happymellon 3y ago
    Moreso than the noise, the touchbar at the back can become too hot to touch and the plastic strip around the screen, where MacBook Pro is printed, is bubbling and peeling away with the heat.
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      I love how apple considers my skin part of the cooling solution. If it wasn't for legal limits, they would absolutely just burn people, sell a laptop cooling mat for $100, and tell people they are using laptops wrong.
  - lbourdages 3y ago
    I went from a Core i9 to an M1 Max and it's been a world of difference. Performance is great, it runs my dual 4K screens with scaling (3008x1692, virtual resolution 6016x3384) without a sweat, and the battery lasts forever.

kaba0 3y ago

Wtf, you do realize software is so wide-reaching (even just on “limited ios”), you can’t meaningfully optimize for that at the goddamn CPU level. Like what, this is not some embedded chip in a happy meal toy that plays a single dumb game alone - there is crypto, graphics, everything necessary for an OS. Docker sucks because it is a linux-ism, not any other reason. And I think most people would disagree with your notion, it really does run circles around basically every other laptop.

jasonjmcghee 3y ago

Personal anecdote- Neither my M1 Air (personal) or M2 Pro (work) have any trouble with docker and jetbrains. Fans don't even turn on on the M2. Both have apple silicon builds now, but it and a lot of other software built for Intel ran at similar performance or better (compared to Intel MacBook / Thinkpad). I understand why people hate apple, but I've never heard anyone say this (what op said) who has had similar setups. It works a hell of a lot better than my X1 Carbon did.

rsynnott 3y ago

> or chug when opening a fat codebase in WebStorm. It'd be worth checking that you're not using an Intel version of WebStorm. I've personally found IntelliJ (largely the same thing as WebStorm) on the M1 to be _extremely_ fast, certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the old Intel Macs. That's the native version, though; via Rosetta it is absolutely painful (the JVM is close to a worst-case for Rosetta).