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I fondly remember the one that showed men's rating of women approaching almost a perfect normal distribution, and then the men messaging mostly the hot ones any

I fondly remember the one that showed men's rating of women approaching almost a perfect normal distribution, and then the men messaging mostly the hot ones anyway, whereas the women rated most men as ugly and then sloping downward toward very few as good looking, kind of like an exponential distribution, but that they also messaged the men almost exactly in tandem - uglier getting the most, with a steady drop as men's ranking rose.

throwaway2037 3y ago
This is basically the foundation of modern, online dating -- aka red pill. Roughly, the top 20% of men get 80% of the attention from women. (I'm pretty sure that figure comes from Tinder data.) It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, but is brutal in the real world. What do you do if you are average (or less) in looks and income (potential)? Prepare for a lonely existance.
- slashdev 3y ago
  You’re being downvoted, but that’s pretty well supported with data. In fact it’s more skewed than 20/80. Closer to 10/90.
  - deanCommie 3y ago
    They're being downvoted because the very comment they're replying to contradicts it: "but that they also messaged the men almost exactly in tandem - uglier getting the most, with a steady drop as men's ranking rose. OKCupid's own data showed that women rate men is ugly but message them anyway.
- tspike 3y ago
  Isn’t the parent comment saying the opposite of this? That despite rating most men as ugly, it didn’t affect their messaging behavior nearly as much?
  - friendzis 3y ago
    No, they are saying a bit tangential things. Tinder's data shows "chance of approach", which is brutal for men who are not too good looking. IIRC, OkCupid's data shows a bit different thing. The distribution of ratings determines chance of messages/likes - the larger stddev the better chances. IIRC, the most messaged men were ones with ratings characterized by bimodal distribution. Therefore, the most messaged men were not the ones with highest visual rating. I do not recall the distribution of messages, so can't comment much on that.
    - lr4444lr 3y ago
      Just read the original article[0]. I apologize if I misstated anything in it. [0]http://web.archive.org/web/20100725135309/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ http://web.archive.org/web/20100725135309/http://blog.okcupi...
- flangola7 3y ago
  That data had poor epistemology, and was only really true if you're only looking at cishet monogamous men and cishet monogamous women.
- Roark66 3y ago
  >What do you do if you are average (or less) in looks and income (potential)? Prepare for a lonely existance. You try to improve these things. Going to the gym etc, or focusing on one's career is a start.
- FearNotDaniel 3y ago
  There's a lot about redpill culture that is inexcusably execrable, but it does offer a true and practical answer to the question you have posed: do everything in your power to make yourself more attractive. Work out, get a good haircut, improve your wardrobe, develop your career, improve your social/conversation skills, have interesting hobbies. Become the best version of yourself and you will get more attention from others.
- barrysteve 3y ago
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  - whynotminot 3y ago
    Well this is the most toxic thing I’ve read today.
    - snapetom 3y ago
      Ha. That was the most 4chan thing I've ever read that wasn't on 4chan.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Online dating is skewed because you have no way to know what someone is really like. All you get is a picture (which may have been photoshopped), and profile data (they might be lieing. If you do date someone you want them to look good because at least if the night was a bust you got to look at someone hot.
- pvdoom 3y ago
  Nope, not really, not only it makes zero sense from evolutionary perspective (especially that of humans), but it also is very specific to one specific platform, and very much determined on the way it is structured and its target audience, business model, etc.
syphon 3y ago
I remember reading that analysis at the time and thinking it was flawed. What it didn't seem to account for was if you rated someone high enough (I can't remember if it required 4 or 5 stars), OKCupid would notify the person in question that you had done so. If you didn't want these notifications being fired off you had to adjust your ratings accordingly - now 3 stars is the highest rating you are going to give. I think the stats really just ended up reflecting that men were generally more comfortable having their ratings broadcast than women were.

throwaway2037 3y ago

This is basically the foundation of modern, online dating -- aka red pill. Roughly, the top 20% of men get 80% of the attention from women. (I'm pretty sure that figure comes from Tinder data.) It makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, but is brutal in the real world. What do you do if you are average (or less) in looks and income (potential)? Prepare for a lonely existance.

slashdev 3y ago
You’re being downvoted, but that’s pretty well supported with data. In fact it’s more skewed than 20/80. Closer to 10/90.
- deanCommie 3y ago
  They're being downvoted because the very comment they're replying to contradicts it: "but that they also messaged the men almost exactly in tandem - uglier getting the most, with a steady drop as men's ranking rose. OKCupid's own data showed that women rate men is ugly but message them anyway.
tspike 3y ago
Isn’t the parent comment saying the opposite of this? That despite rating most men as ugly, it didn’t affect their messaging behavior nearly as much?
- friendzis 3y ago
  No, they are saying a bit tangential things. Tinder's data shows "chance of approach", which is brutal for men who are not too good looking. IIRC, OkCupid's data shows a bit different thing. The distribution of ratings determines chance of messages/likes - the larger stddev the better chances. IIRC, the most messaged men were ones with ratings characterized by bimodal distribution. Therefore, the most messaged men were not the ones with highest visual rating. I do not recall the distribution of messages, so can't comment much on that.
  - lr4444lr 3y ago
    Just read the original article[0]. I apologize if I misstated anything in it. [0]http://web.archive.org/web/20100725135309/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/ http://web.archive.org/web/20100725135309/http://blog.okcupi...
flangola7 3y ago
That data had poor epistemology, and was only really true if you're only looking at cishet monogamous men and cishet monogamous women.
Roark66 3y ago
>What do you do if you are average (or less) in looks and income (potential)? Prepare for a lonely existance. You try to improve these things. Going to the gym etc, or focusing on one's career is a start.
FearNotDaniel 3y ago
There's a lot about redpill culture that is inexcusably execrable, but it does offer a true and practical answer to the question you have posed: do everything in your power to make yourself more attractive. Work out, get a good haircut, improve your wardrobe, develop your career, improve your social/conversation skills, have interesting hobbies. Become the best version of yourself and you will get more attention from others.
barrysteve 3y ago
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- whynotminot 3y ago
  Well this is the most toxic thing I’ve read today.
  - snapetom 3y ago
    Ha. That was the most 4chan thing I've ever read that wasn't on 4chan.
bluGill 3y ago
Online dating is skewed because you have no way to know what someone is really like. All you get is a picture (which may have been photoshopped), and profile data (they might be lieing. If you do date someone you want them to look good because at least if the night was a bust you got to look at someone hot.
pvdoom 3y ago
Nope, not really, not only it makes zero sense from evolutionary perspective (especially that of humans), but it also is very specific to one specific platform, and very much determined on the way it is structured and its target audience, business model, etc.

syphon 3y ago

I remember reading that analysis at the time and thinking it was flawed. What it didn't seem to account for was if you rated someone high enough (I can't remember if it required 4 or 5 stars), OKCupid would notify the person in question that you had done so. If you didn't want these notifications being fired off you had to adjust your ratings accordingly - now 3 stars is the highest rating you are going to give. I think the stats really just ended up reflecting that men were generally more comfortable having their ratings broadcast than women were.