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>5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60

>5sec 0-60. When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Do you even know the 0-60 of your car? Do you realize how quick 5 second is to 60mph? Most sports cars of a generation ago couldn't touch that. Why do you feel it needs to be faster? It's plain dangerous to inexperienced drivers.

doublepg23 3y ago
Aren’t Lexus cars luxury?
- pipeline_peak 3y ago
  To some, to others they’re just Toyotas with leather seats ;)
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  Lexus is the new Cadillacs they might have a 400 horsepower engine and really high performance but the people that drive them drive them like slugs. They're the cars of old conservative rich people that don't buy American and primarily considered reliability
rgbrenner 3y ago
I do know the 0-60 of my car... but that's not the point. I just want to make sure the reader doesn't think the range is low because it's some high performance car. It's just a normal Lexus suv that's not up to par in the EV category.
RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration was so bad it had never occurred to me how much better driving could be with good acceleration. I probably wouldn't include it in my calculus for an ICE vehicle, but I'll probably never purchase another ICE vehicle either.
- ricardobeat 3y ago
  Depends on the year, it used to be around 11s, latest models brought it down to 8-7 seconds. Normal ICE cars are in the 12-18s range, sometimes <10s but you’d look like a mad man revving your engine high enough to achieve that. 5s is ridiculously fast and that kind of acceleration should _never_ be used in the middle of traffic or city roads.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
    My Tesla’s 0-60 makes a huge difference in normal driving, because the acceleration profile at low speeds is a lot more “do the right thing now”. Driving my minivan or other ICE cars feels laggy to me now.
    - RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
      This is the sense I was trying to communicate. I'm not flooring it, but when I make a speed adjustment, it happens 'right away'. There is no delay. Its immediate.
    - AtlasBarfed 3y ago
      A lot of that is the automatic transmission in ICE drivetrains. a manual transmission delivers immediate acceleration but still not as good as a Tesla
  - a_t48 3y ago
    I drive a Jetta GLI, it’s 6.1 (edit - 6.4?) seconds - fairly fast but not a fancy sports car, no obnoxious reviving required. It’s a four cylinder, too!
  - jtc331 3y ago
    You might want to check your facts. The 2022 Honda Odyssey minivan (not a small vehicle) has 0-60 of 6.5s.
    - ricardobeat 3y ago
ronnier 3y ago
I do. My Tesla 0-60 is 1.99~ and gets about 400 mile range
ZeroGravitas 3y ago
> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? 1946 it seems: https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/c12-0603-icons-uncle-tom-mccahill/ https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/c12-0603-icons-unc...
pipeline_peak 3y ago
Because 0 to 60 in 5 means 0 to 30 in even less than it used to take. No need to be a sour puss, let car people love their cars
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> Why do you feel it needs to be faster? Because there's nothing I hate more than a car that doesn't respond when I try to accelerate.
- KennyBlanken 3y ago
  The amount of torque you get and how fast you get it is what you care about then, not 0-60 times. They're not really related. There are cars with good 0-60 times that have terrible fast-secondary/highway acceleration; cars with big turbos, for example, and overly aggressive throttle-input smoothing (for mileage.)
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I don't get it. The faster a car accelerates from 0 to whatever speed, the higher acceleration it has. How could it not be related?
Dig1t 3y ago
For Americans: always For the rest of the world: I have no idea. I have seen car commercials my entire life stating the car's 0-60. EV's I think are especially good for this though because it's fun to accelerate in an EV. Fun does sell cars, see the Miata, S2000, every convertible, etc There are tons of examples. I, personally, as an average Joe, definitely would consider acceleration when buying a brand new car, I think it can be a good differentiator.
pengaru 3y ago
> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Are you seriously going to try gaslight us that nobody cares about 0-60 times? I'll be charitable and assume you're confusing max speed with 0-60. Most people care about 0-60 performance as it's what they experience after.every.single.stop. They may not know the documented 0-60 time, but they generally know and appreciate better acceleration. But I do doubt most people know the actual top speed of their vehicles, and relatively few have ever operated their vehicles near or at vmax.
hedora 3y ago
5 sec is slow-ish by EV standards. The more important questions (for me) are how well it handles on curves, how efficient it is and what the range is. The energy efficiency and weight (in American metrics) are 5.32 mi/kwh (extremely good), and a bit over 4000 lbs (pretty heavy; makes me wonder about handling), with well under 300 miles of range, depending on conditions. So... It looks like it'd appeal to the people I know that buy Lexus cars. That's not me, but I hope they sell a lot of them. https://ev-database.org/car/1943/Lexus-UX-300e https://ev-database.org/car/1943/Lexus-UX-300e
fragmede 3y ago
Are we gatekeeping liking fast, expensive cars now? Cars are an absolute fixture of American society, and even a blind person can feel the difference between a 5-second 0-60 and a 15-second 0-60. It's fair to point out that, eg, a Corvette from 1960 was slower than 5 seconds for 0-60, but you don't have to be a total gearhead to want to be the fastest off the light.
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
There's a saying in car manufacturers that Americans buy horsepower but drive torque. Torque is generally what you need when you need that. Beat the person off the line because you didn't merge into the right turn lane early enough acceleration onto the highway and two lane highway passing. Horsepower is largely a metric for top speed of the vehicle, and if we're talking about in a relative statistic for road cars, top speed is far more useless than 0-60
rasz 3y ago
It matters when your competitor sells cheaper product accelerating almost twice as fast and offering almost twice the range. It makes you look like a huge scammer.

doublepg23 3y ago

Aren’t Lexus cars luxury?

pipeline_peak 3y ago
To some, to others they’re just Toyotas with leather seats ;)
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
Lexus is the new Cadillacs they might have a 400 horsepower engine and really high performance but the people that drive them drive them like slugs. They're the cars of old conservative rich people that don't buy American and primarily considered reliability

rgbrenner 3y ago

I do know the 0-60 of my car... but that's not the point. I just want to make sure the reader doesn't think the range is low because it's some high performance car. It's just a normal Lexus suv that's not up to par in the EV category.

RosanaAnaDana 3y ago

Idk what the 0-60 of my leaf is but I beat every one off the line when I want to. It makes me far more comfortable on the freeway to get all the power I want on demand to quickly and safely make a maneuver. I would never have considered it before owning an EV, but now that I have one, I'll definitely be considerate of it in my next EV purchase. Previously I had only had crappy used ICE vehicles, and the acceleration was so bad it had never occurred to me how much better driving could be with good acceleration. I probably wouldn't include it in my calculus for an ICE vehicle, but I'll probably never purchase another ICE vehicle either.

ricardobeat 3y ago
Depends on the year, it used to be around 11s, latest models brought it down to 8-7 seconds. Normal ICE cars are in the 12-18s range, sometimes <10s but you’d look like a mad man revving your engine high enough to achieve that. 5s is ridiculously fast and that kind of acceleration should _never_ be used in the middle of traffic or city roads.
- fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
  My Tesla’s 0-60 makes a huge difference in normal driving, because the acceleration profile at low speeds is a lot more “do the right thing now”. Driving my minivan or other ICE cars feels laggy to me now.
  - RosanaAnaDana 3y ago
    This is the sense I was trying to communicate. I'm not flooring it, but when I make a speed adjustment, it happens 'right away'. There is no delay. Its immediate.
  - AtlasBarfed 3y ago
    A lot of that is the automatic transmission in ICE drivetrains. a manual transmission delivers immediate acceleration but still not as good as a Tesla
- a_t48 3y ago
  I drive a Jetta GLI, it’s 6.1 (edit - 6.4?) seconds - fairly fast but not a fancy sports car, no obnoxious reviving required. It’s a four cylinder, too!
- jtc331 3y ago
  You might want to check your facts. The 2022 Honda Odyssey minivan (not a small vehicle) has 0-60 of 6.5s.
  - ricardobeat 3y ago

ronnier 3y ago

I do. My Tesla 0-60 is 1.99~ and gets about 400 mile range

ZeroGravitas 3y ago

> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? 1946 it seems: https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/c12-0603-icons-uncle-tom-mccahill/ https://www.motortrend.com/vehicle-genres/c12-0603-icons-unc...

pipeline_peak 3y ago

Because 0 to 60 in 5 means 0 to 30 in even less than it used to take. No need to be a sour puss, let car people love their cars

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> Why do you feel it needs to be faster? Because there's nothing I hate more than a car that doesn't respond when I try to accelerate.

KennyBlanken 3y ago
The amount of torque you get and how fast you get it is what you care about then, not 0-60 times. They're not really related. There are cars with good 0-60 times that have terrible fast-secondary/highway acceleration; cars with big turbos, for example, and overly aggressive throttle-input smoothing (for mileage.)
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  I don't get it. The faster a car accelerates from 0 to whatever speed, the higher acceleration it has. How could it not be related?

Dig1t 3y ago

For Americans: always For the rest of the world: I have no idea. I have seen car commercials my entire life stating the car's 0-60. EV's I think are especially good for this though because it's fun to accelerate in an EV. Fun does sell cars, see the Miata, S2000, every convertible, etc There are tons of examples. I, personally, as an average Joe, definitely would consider acceleration when buying a brand new car, I think it can be a good differentiator.

pengaru 3y ago

> When did this become a metric that mattered to any normal person? Are you seriously going to try gaslight us that nobody cares about 0-60 times? I'll be charitable and assume you're confusing max speed with 0-60. Most people care about 0-60 performance as it's what they experience after.every.single.stop. They may not know the documented 0-60 time, but they generally know and appreciate better acceleration. But I do doubt most people know the actual top speed of their vehicles, and relatively few have ever operated their vehicles near or at vmax.

hedora 3y ago

5 sec is slow-ish by EV standards. The more important questions (for me) are how well it handles on curves, how efficient it is and what the range is. The energy efficiency and weight (in American metrics) are 5.32 mi/kwh (extremely good), and a bit over 4000 lbs (pretty heavy; makes me wonder about handling), with well under 300 miles of range, depending on conditions. So... It looks like it'd appeal to the people I know that buy Lexus cars. That's not me, but I hope they sell a lot of them. https://ev-database.org/car/1943/Lexus-UX-300e https://ev-database.org/car/1943/Lexus-UX-300e

fragmede 3y ago

Are we gatekeeping liking fast, expensive cars now? Cars are an absolute fixture of American society, and even a blind person can feel the difference between a 5-second 0-60 and a 15-second 0-60. It's fair to point out that, eg, a Corvette from 1960 was slower than 5 seconds for 0-60, but you don't have to be a total gearhead to want to be the fastest off the light.

AtlasBarfed 3y ago

There's a saying in car manufacturers that Americans buy horsepower but drive torque. Torque is generally what you need when you need that. Beat the person off the line because you didn't merge into the right turn lane early enough acceleration onto the highway and two lane highway passing. Horsepower is largely a metric for top speed of the vehicle, and if we're talking about in a relative statistic for road cars, top speed is far more useless than 0-60

rasz 3y ago

It matters when your competitor sells cheaper product accelerating almost twice as fast and offering almost twice the range. It makes you look like a huge scammer.