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That was a lot darker than I thought it would be. Google should absolutely respond. As for Oz, what an incredible story.

by steeve 3y ago

klipklop 3y ago
Agreed, the story is so wild it’s hard to believe at first.
metadat 3y ago
And no reply from Elgoog since this was posted back in May, now more than 4 months ago. "Disappointing" would be an understatement.
- lmoroney 3y ago
  I wasn't made aware of it until the HackerNews posting, and I was on vacation then. I'm back now, and I posted a statement above.
paul7986 3y ago
Google is known for doing this as seen in this other HN post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 As well I met them and it wasn't a pleasant experience. It was a decade ago around the same time Sonos met with them and they did similar to Sonos. Though Sonos recently won their case against them https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/6/22871121/sonos-google-patent-itc-ruling-decision-import-ban https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/6/22871121/sonos-google-pate....
- rmbyrro 3y ago
  > Though Sonos recently won their case against them Ouch. That one hurt. Google is looking worse every day. Is it going to be "the Yahoo of tomorrow?"
  - photon_lines 3y ago
    Yes
  - solardev 3y ago
    I think it's more like the Yahoo of yesterday? They made a few key products and then... nothing... for decades, while sponsoring deals everywhere to try to maintain their monopoly.
    - paul7986 3y ago
      They basically only created a better search engine which that possibly could have been stolen too. I mean Facebook was stolen as well and the public doesn't care. I'm sure the public doesn't care that 100s to 1000s of innovators have been ripped off by Google as they just see them as not the winners. Yet a lot of the winners are the no talent thieves and those who throw all their morals to win at all cost. I've talked about my experience (click thru my 1st link above ...my comment is the top of that thread as I met with that same R&D team, Google ATAP the MIT student did and Im betting so did Sonos who actually worked with Google) to warn those if and when Google comes knocking demand money deposited in your bank before taking a meeting! Blow their stardust back in their face and demand money!
  - Gud 3y ago
    I don’t recall Yahoo! ever pulling shit like this.
- theolivenbaum 3y ago
  Reminds me of something they mentioned on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Billion_Dollar_Code https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Billion_Dollar_Code series: Google asking small startups for a sales offer, copying the startup instead, and using the offer as a shield against future lawsuits (look, they only thought it was worth X)

That was a lot darker than I thought it would be. Google should absolutely respond. As for Oz, what an incredible story.

by steeve 3y ago

That was a lot darker than I thought it would be. Google should absolutely respond. As for Oz, what an incredible story.

klipklop 3y ago

Agreed, the story is so wild it’s hard to believe at first.

metadat 3y ago

And no reply from Elgoog since this was posted back in May, now more than 4 months ago. "Disappointing" would be an understatement.

lmoroney 3y ago
I wasn't made aware of it until the HackerNews posting, and I was on vacation then. I'm back now, and I posted a statement above.

paul7986 3y ago

Google is known for doing this as seen in this other HN post https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18566929 As well I met them and it wasn't a pleasant experience. It was a decade ago around the same time Sonos met with them and they did similar to Sonos. Though Sonos recently won their case against them https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/6/22871121/sonos-google-patent-itc-ruling-decision-import-ban https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/6/22871121/sonos-google-pate....

rmbyrro 3y ago
> Though Sonos recently won their case against them Ouch. That one hurt. Google is looking worse every day. Is it going to be "the Yahoo of tomorrow?"
- photon_lines 3y ago
  Yes
- solardev 3y ago
  I think it's more like the Yahoo of yesterday? They made a few key products and then... nothing... for decades, while sponsoring deals everywhere to try to maintain their monopoly.
  - paul7986 3y ago
    They basically only created a better search engine which that possibly could have been stolen too. I mean Facebook was stolen as well and the public doesn't care. I'm sure the public doesn't care that 100s to 1000s of innovators have been ripped off by Google as they just see them as not the winners. Yet a lot of the winners are the no talent thieves and those who throw all their morals to win at all cost. I've talked about my experience (click thru my 1st link above ...my comment is the top of that thread as I met with that same R&D team, Google ATAP the MIT student did and Im betting so did Sonos who actually worked with Google) to warn those if and when Google comes knocking demand money deposited in your bank before taking a meeting! Blow their stardust back in their face and demand money!
- Gud 3y ago
  I don’t recall Yahoo! ever pulling shit like this.
theolivenbaum 3y ago
Reminds me of something they mentioned on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Billion_Dollar_Code https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Billion_Dollar_Code series: Google asking small startups for a sales offer, copying the startup instead, and using the offer as a shield against future lawsuits (look, they only thought it was worth X)