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Licensed private security guards who are armed, trained, and legally able to deal with lethal force are common all over the world.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> private security guards who are armed, trained, and legally able to deal with lethal force are common all over the world Not in most of the developed world. And legally, rarely in America. For that [EDIT: dealing lethal force] you need to hire off-duty cops. And I would think thrice before working in an office that felt it needed off-duty cops on hire. (I would also vote for more police. Security is a public good.)
- pjlegato 3y ago
  Not so. Armed security guards are indeed legal and licensed to carry firearms in almost all US states[1], as well as in almost all European Union states[2], Japan[3], Australia[4], and Canada[5]. So, in nearly the entire 'developed world,' security guards can indeed carry guns. [1] Time magazine even wrote about this a few months ago: https://time.com/6275440/insecure-private-security-replacing-police/ https://time.com/6275440/insecure-private-security-replacing... -- it says that "about 30" states even allow guards to be licensed as "private police" with full arrest powers. For an example, here is California's regulatory site: https://www.bsis.ca.gov/industries/guard.shtml https://www.bsis.ca.gov/industries/guard.shtml -- California, one of the most notoriously anti-gun states -- allows properly licensed security guards to arrest people, as well as to carry tear gas, batons, and firearms. [2] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/use-firearms-private-security-personnel-european-countries-marius https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/use-firearms-private-security... [3] https://dannychoo.com/archive/en/posts/firearms-in-japan https://dannychoo.com/archive/en/posts/firearms-in-japan [4] https://multisectraining.edu.au/do-security-guards-carry-weapons-in-nsw/ https://multisectraining.edu.au/do-security-guards-carry-wea... [5] https://novage.ms/canadian-laws-security-guards-need-to-know-about/ https://novage.ms/canadian-laws-security-guards-need-to-know...
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > licensed to carry firearms in almost all US states Now look up authority to dispense lethal force. Much more limited compared to police.
    - kyleee 3y ago
      On the contrary even individuals have the lawful right to defend themselves up to and including using lethal force. It’s a peculiar argument you are making attempting to make it seem like only only law enforcement officers are allowed to use lethal force.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > individuals have the lawful right to defend themselves up to and including using lethal force But not to run into a room to dispense it. If the armed guard happens to be under threat, yes, they can shoot to kill. But if someone starts shooting inside while they’re at the door, their legal rights are typically restricted to apprehension.
        prepend 3y ago
        > But if someone starts shooting inside while they’re at the door, their legal rights are typically restricted to apprehension. This is simply not true. Most states that regulate armed security guards have a duty to protect. It’s part of the training they receive and licensure to be able to carry a weapon for their job as an armed security guard. Also, in most states, a private citizen carrying a weapon can who is just a bystander is legally allowed to use lethal force to protect other people and even if that means to run into a room and dispense it. I think what may be confusing you is that guards can’t just blast for anything (like cops can). But if there’s someone with a gun drawn (or other lethal weapons) then it’s basically open season for anyone to kill that person to eliminate that threat. Most people won’t seek out danger if they hear gunshots or see something. But armed guards have that as their job. If I hire a security guard who is licensed to carry a gun and they don’t intervene if some psycho is waiving a gun around then that guard is doing a bad job. Guards with guns are very different from the mall cop type people who you see as loss prevention officers that can’t do much. But they aren’t there to protect you from harm, they are there to reduce shoplifting.
- prepend 3y ago
  They are in the US. My work has armed private security guards. It’s more common than you think. That’s why there are armed private security laws and regs. Looks like there are 239,000 in the US [0]. This doesn’t include law enforcement. [0] https://www.zippia.com/armed-guard-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/armed-guard-jobs/demographics/

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> private security guards who are armed, trained, and legally able to deal with lethal force are common all over the world Not in most of the developed world. And legally, rarely in America. For that [EDIT: dealing lethal force] you need to hire off-duty cops. And I would think thrice before working in an office that felt it needed off-duty cops on hire. (I would also vote for more police. Security is a public good.)

pjlegato 3y ago
Not so. Armed security guards are indeed legal and licensed to carry firearms in almost all US states[1], as well as in almost all European Union states[2], Japan[3], Australia[4], and Canada[5]. So, in nearly the entire 'developed world,' security guards can indeed carry guns. [1] Time magazine even wrote about this a few months ago: https://time.com/6275440/insecure-private-security-replacing-police/ https://time.com/6275440/insecure-private-security-replacing... -- it says that "about 30" states even allow guards to be licensed as "private police" with full arrest powers. For an example, here is California's regulatory site: https://www.bsis.ca.gov/industries/guard.shtml https://www.bsis.ca.gov/industries/guard.shtml -- California, one of the most notoriously anti-gun states -- allows properly licensed security guards to arrest people, as well as to carry tear gas, batons, and firearms. [2] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/use-firearms-private-security-personnel-european-countries-marius https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/use-firearms-private-security... [3] https://dannychoo.com/archive/en/posts/firearms-in-japan https://dannychoo.com/archive/en/posts/firearms-in-japan [4] https://multisectraining.edu.au/do-security-guards-carry-weapons-in-nsw/ https://multisectraining.edu.au/do-security-guards-carry-wea... [5] https://novage.ms/canadian-laws-security-guards-need-to-know-about/ https://novage.ms/canadian-laws-security-guards-need-to-know...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > licensed to carry firearms in almost all US states Now look up authority to dispense lethal force. Much more limited compared to police.
  - kyleee 3y ago
    On the contrary even individuals have the lawful right to defend themselves up to and including using lethal force. It’s a peculiar argument you are making attempting to make it seem like only only law enforcement officers are allowed to use lethal force.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > individuals have the lawful right to defend themselves up to and including using lethal force But not to run into a room to dispense it. If the armed guard happens to be under threat, yes, they can shoot to kill. But if someone starts shooting inside while they’re at the door, their legal rights are typically restricted to apprehension.
      - prepend 3y ago
        > But if someone starts shooting inside while they’re at the door, their legal rights are typically restricted to apprehension. This is simply not true. Most states that regulate armed security guards have a duty to protect. It’s part of the training they receive and licensure to be able to carry a weapon for their job as an armed security guard. Also, in most states, a private citizen carrying a weapon can who is just a bystander is legally allowed to use lethal force to protect other people and even if that means to run into a room and dispense it. I think what may be confusing you is that guards can’t just blast for anything (like cops can). But if there’s someone with a gun drawn (or other lethal weapons) then it’s basically open season for anyone to kill that person to eliminate that threat. Most people won’t seek out danger if they hear gunshots or see something. But armed guards have that as their job. If I hire a security guard who is licensed to carry a gun and they don’t intervene if some psycho is waiving a gun around then that guard is doing a bad job. Guards with guns are very different from the mall cop type people who you see as loss prevention officers that can’t do much. But they aren’t there to protect you from harm, they are there to reduce shoplifting.
prepend 3y ago
They are in the US. My work has armed private security guards. It’s more common than you think. That’s why there are armed private security laws and regs. Looks like there are 239,000 in the US [0]. This doesn’t include law enforcement. [0] https://www.zippia.com/armed-guard-jobs/demographics/ https://www.zippia.com/armed-guard-jobs/demographics/