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> They're often quite successful with this, although they recently had to admit defeat with USB-C. Painting this as an adversarial scenario doesn't really hold

> They're often quite successful with this, although they recently had to admit defeat with USB-C. Painting this as an adversarial scenario doesn't really hold up to scrutiny; Apple was heavily involved in the development of USB-C.

capableweb 3y ago
> Apple was heavily involved in the development of USB-C. Might be, but they really dragged their feet using it for their phones instead of Lightning, and I think I remember Apple saying they couldn't use USB-C and have the phones remain as thin as they wanted them. But, as soon as regulation appeared that they have to, suddenly it became possible.
akhosravian 3y ago
The kind of comment that probably goes with someone being outraged apple ships a USB-C only laptop in 2015. Arguably they kick started adoption of usb C by creating an early market for USB-C peripherals. Companies aren’t cartoon characters that only do good or bad things, and they also aren’t monoliths with a single brain making coherent decisions.
- acdha 3y ago
  The other thing is support costs. People sometimes criticize Apple for sticking with Lightning apparently unaware that it predated USB-C by multiple product generations: once you’ve shipped hundreds of millions of anything and have a bunch of third-party vendors, switching is going to be unavoidably slow and messy.
  - solardev 3y ago
    But they were simultaneously making Macs and ipads with usb-c?
    - acdha 3y ago
      Not for years. Lighting came out before USB-C was standardized: September 12th, 2012 vs. August 11th, 2014 (final spec) and January 7th, 2015 (first shipping device, the Nokia N1).
DannyBee 3y ago
It was not? Part of the deal to get them to use the connector was that nobody would say apple wasn't involved. This actually led to a particular journalist giving them credit for it despite them having nothing to do with it. They participate now.
webninja 3y ago
EU regulation forced USB-C. Apple happily complied because they sell more accessories every time the ports change.

capableweb 3y ago

> Apple was heavily involved in the development of USB-C. Might be, but they really dragged their feet using it for their phones instead of Lightning, and I think I remember Apple saying they couldn't use USB-C and have the phones remain as thin as they wanted them. But, as soon as regulation appeared that they have to, suddenly it became possible.

akhosravian 3y ago

The kind of comment that probably goes with someone being outraged apple ships a USB-C only laptop in 2015. Arguably they kick started adoption of usb C by creating an early market for USB-C peripherals. Companies aren’t cartoon characters that only do good or bad things, and they also aren’t monoliths with a single brain making coherent decisions.

acdha 3y ago
The other thing is support costs. People sometimes criticize Apple for sticking with Lightning apparently unaware that it predated USB-C by multiple product generations: once you’ve shipped hundreds of millions of anything and have a bunch of third-party vendors, switching is going to be unavoidably slow and messy.
- solardev 3y ago
  But they were simultaneously making Macs and ipads with usb-c?
  - acdha 3y ago
    Not for years. Lighting came out before USB-C was standardized: September 12th, 2012 vs. August 11th, 2014 (final spec) and January 7th, 2015 (first shipping device, the Nokia N1).

DannyBee 3y ago

It was not? Part of the deal to get them to use the connector was that nobody would say apple wasn't involved. This actually led to a particular journalist giving them credit for it despite them having nothing to do with it. They participate now.

webninja 3y ago

EU regulation forced USB-C. Apple happily complied because they sell more accessories every time the ports change.