3 ms·

Calories in. Calories out. What's new? Aside from the "HOLY SHITBALLS!" Gen-X branding.

user3939382 3y ago
People get very heated and religious about this topic so I'm hesitant to bring it up but there are strong arguments that this model is overly simplistic and that the types of food you eat are strongly related to hormonal changes that dramatically affect your metabolism and fat storage. Here's a good talk by a doctor, heavy on research, that's a decent introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKC3hiyLeRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKC3hiyLeRc
- jghn 3y ago
  It can both be overly simplistic and also true enough for large portions of the population. Not unlike BMI as a metric where in aggregate it works and for most people it's a reasonable approximation, but there are outliers for whom it makes no sense. Too many people like to point to the "yeah but's" on this topic when their underlying problem is that they eat too much and move too little. And then yes, there are people who have already fine tuned eating less and moving more and aren't seeing the expected deltas. Those are the people who should be worrying about the details. But for that bulk population it just turns into an easy excuse.
- throw__away7391 3y ago
  People get really technical trying to find excuses to keep eating when it is themselves, but when it’s your dog who is fat and the vet tells you their health is threatened you just reduce their food and don’t start digging up scientific studies to show how actually some dogs need extra treats to lose weight.
  - user3939382 3y ago
    That’s a bit of a strawman, no one is arguing that you lose weight from “extra treats” it’s more about the insulin response from the nutritional content from your food. And very likely overweight pets are eating garbage food that causes insulin resistance.
    - throw__away7391 3y ago
      Pick the analogy you prefer, it just isn’t difficult or complicated. If you’re cutting it so close to the margin of overeating that you’re worried about insulin response impacting the amount of fat you accumulate, you’re eating too much. If you are at 15% body-fat trying to get down to 10% for a competition, ok, bring out the research and the studies. That is actually quite difficult. If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less and what you do eat should not be soda, doughnuts, and fast food. It isn’t that complicated.
      - user3939382 3y ago
        > If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less Basically almost all the research I’ve seen on keto suggests this isn’t true. That on the contrary the primary driver of weight is hormones which is driven by the composition of the food. Anecdotally I’ve confirmed this and lost tons of weight while increasing my calorie intake. I understand your position, it’s simple and people are splitting hairs. I don’t think that’s the case.

People get very heated and religious about this topic so I'm hesitant to bring it up but there are strong arguments that this model is overly simplistic and that the types of food you eat are strongly related to hormonal changes that dramatically affect your metabolism and fat storage. Here's a good talk by a doctor, heavy on research, that's a decent introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKC3hiyLeRc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKC3hiyLeRc

jghn 3y ago
It can both be overly simplistic and also true enough for large portions of the population. Not unlike BMI as a metric where in aggregate it works and for most people it's a reasonable approximation, but there are outliers for whom it makes no sense. Too many people like to point to the "yeah but's" on this topic when their underlying problem is that they eat too much and move too little. And then yes, there are people who have already fine tuned eating less and moving more and aren't seeing the expected deltas. Those are the people who should be worrying about the details. But for that bulk population it just turns into an easy excuse.
throw__away7391 3y ago
People get really technical trying to find excuses to keep eating when it is themselves, but when it’s your dog who is fat and the vet tells you their health is threatened you just reduce their food and don’t start digging up scientific studies to show how actually some dogs need extra treats to lose weight.
- user3939382 3y ago
  That’s a bit of a strawman, no one is arguing that you lose weight from “extra treats” it’s more about the insulin response from the nutritional content from your food. And very likely overweight pets are eating garbage food that causes insulin resistance.
  - throw__away7391 3y ago
    Pick the analogy you prefer, it just isn’t difficult or complicated. If you’re cutting it so close to the margin of overeating that you’re worried about insulin response impacting the amount of fat you accumulate, you’re eating too much. If you are at 15% body-fat trying to get down to 10% for a competition, ok, bring out the research and the studies. That is actually quite difficult. If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less and what you do eat should not be soda, doughnuts, and fast food. It isn’t that complicated.
    - user3939382 3y ago
      > If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less Basically almost all the research I’ve seen on keto suggests this isn’t true. That on the contrary the primary driver of weight is hormones which is driven by the composition of the food. Anecdotally I’ve confirmed this and lost tons of weight while increasing my calorie intake. I understand your position, it’s simple and people are splitting hairs. I don’t think that’s the case.