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The website is quite dreadful, excessively verbose in some places and totally lacking in others. It took me quite a few clicks just to learn that this is effect

The website is quite dreadful, excessively verbose in some places and totally lacking in others. It took me quite a few clicks just to learn that this is effectively virtual machines with Tor but still didn't find much at-a-glance information on what the user experience is actually like. Does anyone have any experience with this?

hxii 3y ago
I thought you might be exaggerating a little bit, but... oh my, this website is quite terrible.
- pmontra 3y ago
  Maybe the desktop site is terrible, I didn't check, but the mobile one is fine. Nothing to call home about, just a site like a million of other sites, describing a product and providing download links. They made an uncommon effort to secure themselves with long long long legal documents.
Run_DOS_Run 3y ago
OP here. I agree with you. Web design doesn't seem to be the strength of the Whonix team.. and got worse over time. Basically, you download a Virtualbox image, import it and then have a hardened Debian VM with Xfce UI & some privacy-friendly apps like Tor browser & a crypto wallet. The internet is slow (because of Tor) & tcp-only, but sufficient for most things. Virtualbox guest extensions are included and most things work out-of-the-box.
- mike_hock 3y ago
  > See DOS. > See DOS run. > Run_DOS_Run!
electroly 3y ago
You run two VMs in VirtualBox. One is a Tor gateway, the other is a workstation. Both run Whonix and are preconfigured for this. A virtual network between them is set up so that the workstation can only access the Internet via the Tor gateway VM, so it's impossible for connections to "leak" directly to the Internet without going over Tor. The gateway VM runs in the background and you run a regular browser in the workstation VM. https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Gateway https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Gateway https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Workstation https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Workstation
- deleted 3y ago
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Syonyk 3y ago
> Does anyone have any experience with this? Only through Qubes, but I do most of my web access in a disposable (ephemeral) Whonix VM in Qubes, and it does exactly what it says on the box.
- sim7c00 3y ago
  this imho is the way to use it. it is so easy once u get it set up. for me it was one of the simplest ways i found to use such systems.
paravirtualized 3y ago
> Does anyone have any experience with this? Whonix (KVM) is like running Debian with XFCE, but no matter what you do, your real IP address will never leak, at any point.
- devit 3y ago
  Well, unless you absentmindedly type in your mail address, name or any other real credentials.
  - paravirtualized 3y ago
    That's not an IP leak.
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progval 3y ago
> It took me quite a few clicks just to learn that this is effectively virtual machines with Tor Click "What Is Whonix?", scroll down, "Whonix ™ consists of two VMs: the Whonix-Gateway ™ and the Whonix-Workstation ™. The former runs Tor processes and acts as a gateway, while the latter runs user applications on a completely isolated network."

hxii 3y ago

I thought you might be exaggerating a little bit, but... oh my, this website is quite terrible.

pmontra 3y ago
Maybe the desktop site is terrible, I didn't check, but the mobile one is fine. Nothing to call home about, just a site like a million of other sites, describing a product and providing download links. They made an uncommon effort to secure themselves with long long long legal documents.

Run_DOS_Run 3y ago

OP here. I agree with you. Web design doesn't seem to be the strength of the Whonix team.. and got worse over time. Basically, you download a Virtualbox image, import it and then have a hardened Debian VM with Xfce UI & some privacy-friendly apps like Tor browser & a crypto wallet. The internet is slow (because of Tor) & tcp-only, but sufficient for most things. Virtualbox guest extensions are included and most things work out-of-the-box.

mike_hock 3y ago
> See DOS. > See DOS run. > Run_DOS_Run!

electroly 3y ago

You run two VMs in VirtualBox. One is a Tor gateway, the other is a workstation. Both run Whonix and are preconfigured for this. A virtual network between them is set up so that the workstation can only access the Internet via the Tor gateway VM, so it's impossible for connections to "leak" directly to the Internet without going over Tor. The gateway VM runs in the background and you run a regular browser in the workstation VM. https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Gateway https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Gateway https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Workstation https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Whonix-Workstation

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Syonyk 3y ago

> Does anyone have any experience with this? Only through Qubes, but I do most of my web access in a disposable (ephemeral) Whonix VM in Qubes, and it does exactly what it says on the box.

sim7c00 3y ago
this imho is the way to use it. it is so easy once u get it set up. for me it was one of the simplest ways i found to use such systems.

paravirtualized 3y ago

> Does anyone have any experience with this? Whonix (KVM) is like running Debian with XFCE, but no matter what you do, your real IP address will never leak, at any point.

devit 3y ago
Well, unless you absentmindedly type in your mail address, name or any other real credentials.
- paravirtualized 3y ago
  That's not an IP leak.

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progval 3y ago

> It took me quite a few clicks just to learn that this is effectively virtual machines with Tor Click "What Is Whonix?", scroll down, "Whonix ™ consists of two VMs: the Whonix-Gateway ™ and the Whonix-Workstation ™. The former runs Tor processes and acts as a gateway, while the latter runs user applications on a completely isolated network."