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Until we start sending the national guard in to scuttle the wellheads flooding the deserts to grow alfalfa I’m not taking a shorter shower, I’m not going to sto

Until we start sending the national guard in to scuttle the wellheads flooding the deserts to grow alfalfa I’m not taking a shorter shower, I’m not going to stop watering my grass, and I’m not changing anything about my behavior whatsoever. Sorry, but I just don’t believe it’s a crisis when I can see that it pretty clearly isn’t a big enough crisis to stop growing horse food in the desert. And not to pile on the infinite number of ways that California is a failure: but if you guys arent racing to build nuclear desalination plants, then I don’t believe you either. Sorry but I’m getting pretty fed up with hearing that I need to live in a crisis, but that the people telling me in need to live in a crisis don’t.

selimthegrim 3y ago
What, SB’s renovated one isn’t good enough for you?
haswell 3y ago
While I completely understand (and share) the frustration, I think it's important not to fall into the "I'm not doing anything until it's fixed" trap. Things change when enough people care about a problem. Electing people who care about the problem is one of the primary ways to fix it. Electing people who care about the problem isn't going to happen if everyone collectively stops caring about the problem. The current behavior of corporations and politicians is BS, but concluding that "I'll change nothing" feeds/perpetuates the problem, which is still ultimately a collective concern. The problem will eventually come to a head forcing regulatory change, and it's far better if people have already started moving in a healthier direction.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  I don't necessarily think that's what the comment you are responding to is saying. I agree with that parent comment, which is that trying to guilt consumers into worrying about their shower length or grass watering is plain bad policy if meanwhile we do nothing about agricultural usage. If anything, I think making it loudly known that consumers aren't going to do squat unless agriculture is tackled is a step in the right direction.
  - dfxm12 3y ago
    I do feel it is important to note that merely taking normal-length showers isn't making anything "loudly known" though. Other action has to be taken to be sure you're heard.
dfxm12 3y ago
The revolution starts at home. Just make sure it doesn't end there, too. Vote for politicians who are willing to do something about it. Call your current ones and tell them you're pissed and why.
dahart 3y ago
Oh but we don’t get our shower water from the Lake, right? That comes from snowpack. I understand the sentiment, but not watering the lawn is to make sure we have enough drinking water, not to keep the lake up. Alpine actually ran out a year or so ago, I heard. These are two different water issues.

selimthegrim 3y ago

What, SB’s renovated one isn’t good enough for you?

haswell 3y ago

While I completely understand (and share) the frustration, I think it's important not to fall into the "I'm not doing anything until it's fixed" trap. Things change when enough people care about a problem. Electing people who care about the problem is one of the primary ways to fix it. Electing people who care about the problem isn't going to happen if everyone collectively stops caring about the problem. The current behavior of corporations and politicians is BS, but concluding that "I'll change nothing" feeds/perpetuates the problem, which is still ultimately a collective concern. The problem will eventually come to a head forcing regulatory change, and it's far better if people have already started moving in a healthier direction.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
I don't necessarily think that's what the comment you are responding to is saying. I agree with that parent comment, which is that trying to guilt consumers into worrying about their shower length or grass watering is plain bad policy if meanwhile we do nothing about agricultural usage. If anything, I think making it loudly known that consumers aren't going to do squat unless agriculture is tackled is a step in the right direction.
- dfxm12 3y ago
  I do feel it is important to note that merely taking normal-length showers isn't making anything "loudly known" though. Other action has to be taken to be sure you're heard.

dfxm12 3y ago

The revolution starts at home. Just make sure it doesn't end there, too. Vote for politicians who are willing to do something about it. Call your current ones and tell them you're pissed and why.

dahart 3y ago

Oh but we don’t get our shower water from the Lake, right? That comes from snowpack. I understand the sentiment, but not watering the lawn is to make sure we have enough drinking water, not to keep the lake up. Alpine actually ran out a year or so ago, I heard. These are two different water issues.