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You’re dunking on a fictional hyper-woke straw man in response to someone sharing a wholesome anecdote about doing something nice for their wife. Lol.

willcipriano 3y ago
Do you have a good argument why this tradition should stand or are you just going to make assumptions about me?
- spoiler 3y ago
  Not the person you're responding to, but I'm confused what you're arguing against. Men proposing with a ring? Either way, to me it's someone sharing a story about a romantic gesture. If you remove your implication of sexes (or swap them), do you hold the same belief? Also, the OP never said they felt obliged because they're a man. They said their significant other appreciates this type of jewelry. Anything outside that is you projecting your own beliefs (which we don't have to discuss) into the story
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > Men proposing with a ring? Not just a ring, a very expensive one in contrast to the one the man ends up with. A ring price gap if you will. > If you remove your implication of sexes (or swap them), do you hold the same belief? Yes and society does generally in these matters as well. There was a number of expectations of women in marriage historically that they have been liberated from, yet this expectation remains for men at some level. > Also, the OP never said they felt obliged because they're a man. They said their significant other appreciates this type of jewelry. He might appreciate sports cars, there isn't a industry trying to get her to buy him a sports car and via conspicuous consumption, socially siginal her value as a wife to his friend group and family. Sports car showrooms aren't full of anxious young couples, taking out loans so he can pull up in something with 500 horsepower on the special day. Why?
    - spoiler 3y ago
      > Yes and society does generally in these matters as well. There was a number of expectations of women in marriage historically that they have been liberated from, yet this expectation remains for men at some level. Different circles of people have different expectations, and I think that's okay. I still think we're over-analysing an anecdote here. He was attrac to a woman—for the sake of the argument, but we don't know this—has those expectations. So, he must've been fine with them! If there was a big disparity on world views, we'd never have lived to have this discussion, as the story wouldn't have happened. I guess what I'm trying to say is, of they're happy, who are we to judge them? Traditional or not. I'm personally with you on the stance that it's a bit of a funny tradition, but I don't think it's an egregious one. > He might appreciate sports cars, there isn't a industry trying to get her to buy him a sports car and via conspicuous consumption, socially siginal her value as a wife to his friend group and family. Sports car showrooms aren't full of anxious young couples, taking out loans so he can pull up in something with 500 horsepower on the special day. Why? I am neither into sports cars or super familiar with engagement jewelry, so I might be wrong, but I don't think the price brackets overlap, or do they? So, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. However... I concede there's a point there. I don't know why that's the case. Maybe because traditionally men earned more while women stayed at home? I have friends who've bought their boyfriends gaming gear/consoles (I know it's not the same price range, but the sentiment was there). Regarding social signaling: maybe her family is upstanding and cares about that. So, he just wanted to impress the in-laws. We don't know! But either way, he was okay with it! It's his life to live after all. We can live ours differently
    - tmn 3y ago
      There is a double standard sure. It's up to us to make the best of our situation.
- dylan604 3y ago
  You made the comment...

willcipriano 3y ago

Do you have a good argument why this tradition should stand or are you just going to make assumptions about me?

spoiler 3y ago
Not the person you're responding to, but I'm confused what you're arguing against. Men proposing with a ring? Either way, to me it's someone sharing a story about a romantic gesture. If you remove your implication of sexes (or swap them), do you hold the same belief? Also, the OP never said they felt obliged because they're a man. They said their significant other appreciates this type of jewelry. Anything outside that is you projecting your own beliefs (which we don't have to discuss) into the story
- willcipriano 3y ago
  > Men proposing with a ring? Not just a ring, a very expensive one in contrast to the one the man ends up with. A ring price gap if you will. > If you remove your implication of sexes (or swap them), do you hold the same belief? Yes and society does generally in these matters as well. There was a number of expectations of women in marriage historically that they have been liberated from, yet this expectation remains for men at some level. > Also, the OP never said they felt obliged because they're a man. They said their significant other appreciates this type of jewelry. He might appreciate sports cars, there isn't a industry trying to get her to buy him a sports car and via conspicuous consumption, socially siginal her value as a wife to his friend group and family. Sports car showrooms aren't full of anxious young couples, taking out loans so he can pull up in something with 500 horsepower on the special day. Why?
  - spoiler 3y ago
    > Yes and society does generally in these matters as well. There was a number of expectations of women in marriage historically that they have been liberated from, yet this expectation remains for men at some level. Different circles of people have different expectations, and I think that's okay. I still think we're over-analysing an anecdote here. He was attrac to a woman—for the sake of the argument, but we don't know this—has those expectations. So, he must've been fine with them! If there was a big disparity on world views, we'd never have lived to have this discussion, as the story wouldn't have happened. I guess what I'm trying to say is, of they're happy, who are we to judge them? Traditional or not. I'm personally with you on the stance that it's a bit of a funny tradition, but I don't think it's an egregious one. > He might appreciate sports cars, there isn't a industry trying to get her to buy him a sports car and via conspicuous consumption, socially siginal her value as a wife to his friend group and family. Sports car showrooms aren't full of anxious young couples, taking out loans so he can pull up in something with 500 horsepower on the special day. Why? I am neither into sports cars or super familiar with engagement jewelry, so I might be wrong, but I don't think the price brackets overlap, or do they? So, I'm not sure it's a fair comparison. However... I concede there's a point there. I don't know why that's the case. Maybe because traditionally men earned more while women stayed at home? I have friends who've bought their boyfriends gaming gear/consoles (I know it's not the same price range, but the sentiment was there). Regarding social signaling: maybe her family is upstanding and cares about that. So, he just wanted to impress the in-laws. We don't know! But either way, he was okay with it! It's his life to live after all. We can live ours differently
  - tmn 3y ago
    There is a double standard sure. It's up to us to make the best of our situation.
dylan604 3y ago
You made the comment...