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Unidentified anomalous phenomena – Independent study team report [pdf]

44 points by mdhb 3y ago

byteknight 3y ago
Maybe it was too dense for me. But I don't see anything new in there.
- hrkfmud50k 3y ago
  i wouldn't call it dense. perhaps disorganized and verbose
- revscat 3y ago
  If you go back and look this report was specifically intended to be about determining methods for identifying and cataloging UAP. It is a widespread misunderstanding that it was intended to be a report about UAP. This is incorrect.
- pazimzadeh 3y ago
  It was a waste of time to read this. The most important words: "likely a sensor artifact resulting from video compression"
5350-uiop-1130 3y ago
it reads more like a request for more budget to study UAPs, or at least to better formalise the process. nothing really insightful as far as the UAPs thesmselves as far as i can tell.
- byteknight 3y ago
  Absolutely. Rereading it sounds exactly like that; budgetary request.
  - drewchew 3y ago
    "To whom it may concern: Aliens? Maybe... Plz fund global surveillance and AI? Thx"
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      It is NASA though. So, more like “Plz ask the defense budget guys if they have any money between their couch cushions.”
      - TX81Z 3y ago
        Exactly, and I think it’s a very good use of public funds.
brodouevencode 3y ago
Rather disappointing, but not at all surprising. However you come down on UAP/UFO/etc the fact that there's no definitive answer from the governments, intelligence communities, authorities, etc. is mildly perplexing.
- sgt101 3y ago
  Not really - strange things that are poorly documented are often hard to explain. The things that are well recorded and documented all get explained rather quickly.
  - TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
    Not at all true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
    - CommitSyn 3y ago
      Hessdalen lights yes but they, like UAPs, have flaps. Now they are very rare so it's hard to study when they are seen so rarely but there has been a team doing it for many decades now. Ball lightning is also very rare. So I think the commenter was talking about everyday things that happen with fair regularity, but not to put words in their mouth. Edit: However, I will say that "explained" in the commenters case does not necessarily mean "explained correctly." Mick West with his Seagull theory for example -- he had the singular video and "explained" the video with an example that fits into our worldview, while the military still has the RADAR, multiple sources of video, and unedited (downconverted) HQ footage and sensor data which would likely monkey wrench his seagull theory very badly.
    - mojomark 3y ago
      The analysis identified hydrogen, oxygen and other elements including titanium.[9] It was thought this occurs in Hessdalen because of the large deposits of scandium there. The publication of this research led to the Norwegian press proclaiming that "The Mystery in Hessdalen is Solved". I guess it depends on who you ask. Anyone can choose to ignore solid evidence supporting a hypothesis. Just ask a 'flat-earther' if the earther is a sphere.
gustavus 3y ago
"Our report indicates that we don't have resources to provide definitive answers and we need more resources" - The report With political acumen like that they will quickly have the best run UAP program in the world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A
- TX81Z 3y ago
  To be fair, with all the money the government wastes this taxpayer would be quite happy to have more resources devoted to this mixed probability/extremely high impact issue.
  - idiotsecant 3y ago
    How much will you be funding my leprechaun hunting program? It is also extremely high impact and 'mixed probability'
    - TX81Z 3y ago
      Show me the supporting Fermi math and I will.
      - idiotsecant 3y ago
        If you want me to make a long fancy looking series of terms with arbitrary coefficients I can certainly do that too.
zackmorris 3y ago
The media briefing just happened live, mostly saying that NASA is focussing on transparency and removing the stigma around UAP reporting so that more evidence can be acquired: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Independent Study Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwU6V5GFaQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwU6V5GFaQA Edit: shorter summary by NASA Administrator Bill Nelson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJKLP5hcuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJKLP5hcuQ
importjelly 3y ago
Basically, the evidence for something anomalous is weak at best, more probably a Nothingburger (imho). Mick West in his channel[1], plus friends at Metabunk have made fantastic research on UAPs, and they have really mundane explanations: I think the level of expertise of some pilots has been overblown. They are human after all and not necessarily can come up for explanations for everything, especially if they are not on top of every new spaceflight development, which might be a lot to ask considering other obligations that they might have, at least in the case of commercial airline pilots. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@MickWest https://www.youtube.com/@MickWest

44 points by mdhb 3y ago

byteknight 3y ago

Maybe it was too dense for me. But I don't see anything new in there.

hrkfmud50k 3y ago
i wouldn't call it dense. perhaps disorganized and verbose
revscat 3y ago
If you go back and look this report was specifically intended to be about determining methods for identifying and cataloging UAP. It is a widespread misunderstanding that it was intended to be a report about UAP. This is incorrect.
pazimzadeh 3y ago
It was a waste of time to read this. The most important words: "likely a sensor artifact resulting from video compression"

5350-uiop-1130 3y ago

it reads more like a request for more budget to study UAPs, or at least to better formalise the process. nothing really insightful as far as the UAPs thesmselves as far as i can tell.

byteknight 3y ago
Absolutely. Rereading it sounds exactly like that; budgetary request.
- drewchew 3y ago
  "To whom it may concern: Aliens? Maybe... Plz fund global surveillance and AI? Thx"
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    It is NASA though. So, more like “Plz ask the defense budget guys if they have any money between their couch cushions.”
    - TX81Z 3y ago
      Exactly, and I think it’s a very good use of public funds.

brodouevencode 3y ago

Rather disappointing, but not at all surprising. However you come down on UAP/UFO/etc the fact that there's no definitive answer from the governments, intelligence communities, authorities, etc. is mildly perplexing.

sgt101 3y ago
Not really - strange things that are poorly documented are often hard to explain. The things that are well recorded and documented all get explained rather quickly.
- TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
  Not at all true. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning
  - CommitSyn 3y ago
    Hessdalen lights yes but they, like UAPs, have flaps. Now they are very rare so it's hard to study when they are seen so rarely but there has been a team doing it for many decades now. Ball lightning is also very rare. So I think the commenter was talking about everyday things that happen with fair regularity, but not to put words in their mouth. Edit: However, I will say that "explained" in the commenters case does not necessarily mean "explained correctly." Mick West with his Seagull theory for example -- he had the singular video and "explained" the video with an example that fits into our worldview, while the military still has the RADAR, multiple sources of video, and unedited (downconverted) HQ footage and sensor data which would likely monkey wrench his seagull theory very badly.
  - mojomark 3y ago
    The analysis identified hydrogen, oxygen and other elements including titanium.[9] It was thought this occurs in Hessdalen because of the large deposits of scandium there. The publication of this research led to the Norwegian press proclaiming that "The Mystery in Hessdalen is Solved". I guess it depends on who you ask. Anyone can choose to ignore solid evidence supporting a hypothesis. Just ask a 'flat-earther' if the earther is a sphere.

gustavus 3y ago

"Our report indicates that we don't have resources to provide definitive answers and we need more resources" - The report With political acumen like that they will quickly have the best run UAP program in the world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A

TX81Z 3y ago
To be fair, with all the money the government wastes this taxpayer would be quite happy to have more resources devoted to this mixed probability/extremely high impact issue.
- idiotsecant 3y ago
  How much will you be funding my leprechaun hunting program? It is also extremely high impact and 'mixed probability'
  - TX81Z 3y ago
    Show me the supporting Fermi math and I will.
    - idiotsecant 3y ago
      If you want me to make a long fancy looking series of terms with arbitrary coefficients I can certainly do that too.

zackmorris 3y ago

The media briefing just happened live, mostly saying that NASA is focussing on transparency and removing the stigma around UAP reporting so that more evidence can be acquired: Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Independent Study Report https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwU6V5GFaQA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwU6V5GFaQA Edit: shorter summary by NASA Administrator Bill Nelson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJKLP5hcuQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJKLP5hcuQ

importjelly 3y ago

Basically, the evidence for something anomalous is weak at best, more probably a Nothingburger (imho). Mick West in his channel[1], plus friends at Metabunk have made fantastic research on UAPs, and they have really mundane explanations: I think the level of expertise of some pilots has been overblown. They are human after all and not necessarily can come up for explanations for everything, especially if they are not on top of every new spaceflight development, which might be a lot to ask considering other obligations that they might have, at least in the case of commercial airline pilots. [1] https://www.youtube.com/@MickWest https://www.youtube.com/@MickWest