> It's fair for them to include these because comparable employers do not include either. It is fair, but not under the phrase "UPS workers make". That phrasin

> It's fair for them to include these because comparable employers do not include either. It is fair, but not under the phrase "UPS workers make". That phrasing usually only refers to (pre- or post-tax) salary. > There's a documented correlation between good benefits, low turnover, and higher profits. I would believe it. All I meant to say is that the 95k average salary will be skewed by having half their full time employees being there for >15 years. I think you and I agree for the most part, I am pushing to keep a clearer distinction between take home pay and total compensation.