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Why would a 10x engineer object to improved working conditions for all? Some general hatred for coworkers?

pjc50 3y ago
Yes. Thinking of yourself as a 10x engineer, you run the risk of seeing everyone else as 0.1x engineers, mere inconvenient ants that you're forced to tolerate. You can see a bit of that in this thread.
alphazard 3y ago
I didn't say they would object, just that they aren't incentivized to care about it. It doesn't help the 10xer's bottom line, and the conditions at the "bottom" of tech are some of the best of any profession.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  They actually are, unless the 10x engineer thinks good customer service agents, customer deployment engineers, assistants, etc. somehow are not worth having. Usually, the product is way more than just some software engineering piece.
xeromal 3y ago
Because Union agreements can bind pay to non meritocratic ways such as time spent in the role or when a higher position opens up. Those top players will rise to the top easier in an open market. It's the same with waitstaff in a tip-based system. The bottom half wants fair wages while the top 20% will leave because they know they can earn without those rules in place.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  First, that means there is an open, two-sided market and, second, citation needed that that is really the case. Btw., employers can and do also pay based on non-meritocratic KPIs (but depends on your definition of that term).
  - xeromal 3y ago
    I'm not a scientist nor am I trying to get into an actual debate on hackernews. I'm just spouting my opinion and feelings on the matter like conversations were done preinternet when someone could just go digging around to find a study to support their argument. Of course employers reward people for loyalty but as someone who has worked in a union environment before, I've felt stifled. I come from a family of tradesmen and unions do wonders to protect the health and future of employees but they are just as corruptible as corporations. They're just corrupt for the people they protect which happens to benefit the union workers most of the time. I'm just not interested.

Yes. Thinking of yourself as a 10x engineer, you run the risk of seeing everyone else as 0.1x engineers, mere inconvenient ants that you're forced to tolerate. You can see a bit of that in this thread.

alphazard 3y ago

I didn't say they would object, just that they aren't incentivized to care about it. It doesn't help the 10xer's bottom line, and the conditions at the "bottom" of tech are some of the best of any profession.

RandomLensman 3y ago
They actually are, unless the 10x engineer thinks good customer service agents, customer deployment engineers, assistants, etc. somehow are not worth having. Usually, the product is way more than just some software engineering piece.

xeromal 3y ago

Because Union agreements can bind pay to non meritocratic ways such as time spent in the role or when a higher position opens up. Those top players will rise to the top easier in an open market. It's the same with waitstaff in a tip-based system. The bottom half wants fair wages while the top 20% will leave because they know they can earn without those rules in place.

RandomLensman 3y ago
First, that means there is an open, two-sided market and, second, citation needed that that is really the case. Btw., employers can and do also pay based on non-meritocratic KPIs (but depends on your definition of that term).
- xeromal 3y ago
  I'm not a scientist nor am I trying to get into an actual debate on hackernews. I'm just spouting my opinion and feelings on the matter like conversations were done preinternet when someone could just go digging around to find a study to support their argument. Of course employers reward people for loyalty but as someone who has worked in a union environment before, I've felt stifled. I come from a family of tradesmen and unions do wonders to protect the health and future of employees but they are just as corruptible as corporations. They're just corrupt for the people they protect which happens to benefit the union workers most of the time. I'm just not interested.