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I pay for jet brains platform yearly and it is worth every single penny many times over. The eye rolls I get. Bro. You're literally getting paid 150k at a mini

I pay for jet brains platform yearly and it is worth every single penny many times over. The eye rolls I get. Bro. You're literally getting paid 150k at a minimum, you can she'll out 100 dollars a year.

wernercd 3y ago
"150k at a minimum" not to say you shouldn't support great companies but the average programmer salary isn't 150k. it's probably not even half that. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programm...
- kqr 3y ago
  Especially not outside of the US and/or FAANG. I know of only one programmer making even close to 150k in Europe unless counting Google.
  - wernercd 3y ago
    As a programmer for a bank, I'm in the ballpark after benefits/yearly bonus (humble brag) but having been on the lookout for remote work in my line of specialty, for me to get a good remote position I will probably have to take a pay/benefits cut. (Long commute before covid. remote during. "hybrid" after. Looking to get back to no commute with rising prices of everything) Programmers with experience do make a good living but FAANG style jobs vastly skew what people think the average programmer makes. Just like unicorn companies make people forget that the vast majority of companies fail.
Toutouxc 3y ago
European Rails dev here, working for a startup with a cozy atmosphere, friendly team, not job hopping or playing the Leetcode and 100+ interviews game, I’m looking at something like $50k, which is very nice in my country, but sometimes the numbers getting thrown around here make me feel kind of uncomfortable.
- tetris11 3y ago
  Take a US salary and halve it to compare it to an EU one https://expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/538/how-to-match-eu-income-to-us-salary https://expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/538/how-to-m...
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    EU is a collection of countries / regions with higher / lower pay. 50K US can go far in eastern europe but dry up quickly in Paris, France.
    - tetris11 3y ago
      Same with US being a collection of states with vastly varying tech salaries.
    - mathverse 3y ago
      50k does not go far in EE unless you mean bumfuck nowhere.
      - globular-toast 3y ago
        Depends what you mean by "far". For me, someone who grew up in a large family with a single income much smaller than that, yes it does.
      - Toutouxc 3y ago
        The average (take-home) pay in the Czech Republic is a little over $18k. A little more in Prague, but $50k still puts you firmly above most of your friends and family.
        mathverse 3y ago
        We are comparing QOL for ICTs not average people.
      - d1sxeyes 3y ago
solardev 3y ago
Get me a job that pays 150k and I'll pay for your Jetbrains
happymellon 3y ago
It really depends on the app, I'm in Jet Brains apps a lot so it makes sense. I would like a nice Git GUI, but GitKraken pricing is nonsense. I've settled with Fork, but I would prefer it if there was a native Linux version.
packetlost 3y ago
> You're literally getting paid 150k at a minimum There's more of the world than SV. Most people outside of those areas do not make that much or even close to it.
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sam_goody 3y ago
I sometimes forgot that there even are programmers anywhere in the world that are making 150k; maybe one day I will fly to the States just to meet you guys. Some of the comments on HN have a vibe of "Let them eat cake" - they are out of touch with how most of us plebs in the rest of the world are living. And then I realize that the rich influence all the decision making that affects the poor - and it scares me. (BTW: I assume this number is yearly; $12.5K/mo. Which is multiple times the average dev pay out where I live. Even in the States, I assume no one pulls $150K/monthly, amiright?)
- Justsignedup 3y ago
  In new york with even a remotely small amount of looking for seed startups, an engineer with 1 year of experience can easily get 120k. 150k would be maybe 4 years of experience. As a senior engineer you can get 170-220k easily at a series A startup. This number is doubled or trippled for one of the big boys because of directly tradable equity.
P_I_Staker 3y ago
> You're literally getting paid 150k at a minimum Where? This website can be so frustrating with all the silicon valley privileged richy riches. You understand that 150k is a massive salary?

wernercd 3y ago

"150k at a minimum" not to say you shouldn't support great companies but the average programmer salary isn't 150k. it's probably not even half that. https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programm...

kqr 3y ago
Especially not outside of the US and/or FAANG. I know of only one programmer making even close to 150k in Europe unless counting Google.
- wernercd 3y ago
  As a programmer for a bank, I'm in the ballpark after benefits/yearly bonus (humble brag) but having been on the lookout for remote work in my line of specialty, for me to get a good remote position I will probably have to take a pay/benefits cut. (Long commute before covid. remote during. "hybrid" after. Looking to get back to no commute with rising prices of everything) Programmers with experience do make a good living but FAANG style jobs vastly skew what people think the average programmer makes. Just like unicorn companies make people forget that the vast majority of companies fail.

Toutouxc 3y ago

European Rails dev here, working for a startup with a cozy atmosphere, friendly team, not job hopping or playing the Leetcode and 100+ interviews game, I’m looking at something like $50k, which is very nice in my country, but sometimes the numbers getting thrown around here make me feel kind of uncomfortable.

tetris11 3y ago
Take a US salary and halve it to compare it to an EU one https://expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/538/how-to-match-eu-income-to-us-salary https://expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/538/how-to-m...
- ipaddr 3y ago
  EU is a collection of countries / regions with higher / lower pay. 50K US can go far in eastern europe but dry up quickly in Paris, France.
  - tetris11 3y ago
    Same with US being a collection of states with vastly varying tech salaries.
  - mathverse 3y ago
    50k does not go far in EE unless you mean bumfuck nowhere.
    - globular-toast 3y ago
      Depends what you mean by "far". For me, someone who grew up in a large family with a single income much smaller than that, yes it does.
    - Toutouxc 3y ago
      The average (take-home) pay in the Czech Republic is a little over $18k. A little more in Prague, but $50k still puts you firmly above most of your friends and family.
      - mathverse 3y ago
        We are comparing QOL for ICTs not average people.
    - d1sxeyes 3y ago

solardev 3y ago

Get me a job that pays 150k and I'll pay for your Jetbrains

happymellon 3y ago

It really depends on the app, I'm in Jet Brains apps a lot so it makes sense. I would like a nice Git GUI, but GitKraken pricing is nonsense. I've settled with Fork, but I would prefer it if there was a native Linux version.

packetlost 3y ago

> You're literally getting paid 150k at a minimum There's more of the world than SV. Most people outside of those areas do not make that much or even close to it.

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sam_goody 3y ago

I sometimes forgot that there even are programmers anywhere in the world that are making 150k; maybe one day I will fly to the States just to meet you guys. Some of the comments on HN have a vibe of "Let them eat cake" - they are out of touch with how most of us plebs in the rest of the world are living. And then I realize that the rich influence all the decision making that affects the poor - and it scares me. (BTW: I assume this number is yearly; $12.5K/mo. Which is multiple times the average dev pay out where I live. Even in the States, I assume no one pulls $150K/monthly, amiright?)

Justsignedup 3y ago
In new york with even a remotely small amount of looking for seed startups, an engineer with 1 year of experience can easily get 120k. 150k would be maybe 4 years of experience. As a senior engineer you can get 170-220k easily at a series A startup. This number is doubled or trippled for one of the big boys because of directly tradable equity.

P_I_Staker 3y ago

> You're literally getting paid 150k at a minimum Where? This website can be so frustrating with all the silicon valley privileged richy riches. You understand that 150k is a massive salary?