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Please refrain from spread misinformation, that was a coup, in the mind of Bolsonaro's followers the "protest" would trigger an action by the military to "take

by Xunjin 3y ago

Please refrain from spread misinformation, that was a coup, in the mind of Bolsonaro's followers the "protest" would trigger an action by the military to "take the power". This was spread by months after the elections, we even had a attempt of exploding a bomb in a gas tank truck for aviation. Not a single protest in the history of the redemocratization (1988) had a protest that destroyed the buildings from the three powers.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
So? They believed a lie. Doesn't turn what happened there on that day into a coup. When you want to take power, you don't do the utterly pointless stuff they did. You want to seize power, you don't show up to an empty supreme court to shit on its chairs. That's just stupid. I think it's far more likely that it was a false flag operation from the start designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under. How else could we possibly go from a democracy to a state where a supreme court judge can openly and publicly showboat to an audience about defeating Bolsonaro alongside his fellow judge-kings? Can you imagine a US supreme court judge openly bragging about defeating Trump, stopping his campaign its tracks? And don't accuse me of "spreading misinformation". Everything I post here, I post in good faith because it's exactly what I think. I simply do not agree with you. You're not on brazilian social media. Either reply to me with respect or don't reply to me at all.
- Xunjin 3y ago
  You are spreading misinformation, read your own comment, here is an example: "[...]designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under." That's literally the fake news spread in far-right media, which seems you are consuming too much. Just because you don't agree with a decision done by the Supreme Court on Brazil (STF) doesn't mean it's a dictatorship. If you feel I caused any damage to you by point facts in your commentaries, you have the right to sue me, and I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :)
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I don't need media to see and understand what's happening. That the "far-right" apparently agrees with me on this point doesn't prove that it's fake either. The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship. You expect me to believe this is not a judiciary dictatorship when these unelected judges are essentially running the country? Just today news came out saying they more or less created a tax. > I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :) What a joke. There is no constitution in this country. There's only the judge-king's whims. Whatever he writes on his paper is law. If I were to sue you, I'd succeed only in getting myself persecuted. So I'll flag your posts and stop responding to you. Goodbye.
    - Xunjin 3y ago
      Once more you are spreading misinformation and denying the reality. > There is no constitution in this country. There is and was promulgated in 1988.[0] > The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship. The TSE, the court you are referring to alongside with social medias, removed around three hundreds posts containing fake news, that so small that yet 79% Brazilians had contact with fake news[1], how is that a dictatorship? You are downplaying the dictatorship that happened in 1964 on Brazil. People were exiled/killed, ALL media were censored. I beg anyone who wants to know more about the coup of 64 read the wikipedia page is a good start on the subject, you will see how horrible and bloody it was. Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Bra... These references are in Brazilian Portuguese language, I'm sorry for it. [0] https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_brasileira_de_1988 https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_brasi... [1] https://www.terra.com.br/byte/tse-nao-conseguiu-barrar-fake-news-veja-erros-e-acertos-nas-eleicoes,53c559f52b780006c714771c873b59cb6mzqyaxt.html https://www.terra.com.br/byte/tse-nao-conseguiu-barrar-fake-...
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  > So? They believed a lie Many a coup started with the people believing in lies. In fact, that's usually what happened historically.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I don't doubt that people believed it. Belief alone doesn't make a coup attempt though. You have to actually try to seize power for it to be a coup attempt. I believe it was actually an attempt to do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_protests_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_protests_in_... I think it's likely that the government took advantage of this context to create the perfect pretext for everything they're doing right now. There's a parliamentary investigation into the truth of these riots, latest news I have of that is that the security camera footage of that day has been mysteriously lost. I bet the CIA still has copies though. The footage was requested early this year, government stalled as much as it could but then Lula made some anti-Ukraine comments and soon after images of his people being friendly with the protesters mysteriously made its way to the CNN. I wouldn't be surprised if US agencies like the CIA were responsible for that.
    - Xunjin 3y ago
      Oh my god, you love to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories. The images that could prove either your “theory” or that Bolsonaro tried to, with Delgatti hacker know for the operation “Spoofing”, in some ways crack the voting machines are lost because of a technical decision done in Bolsonaro's government[0]. Bolsonaro's government is also known for using a law of National Security which a President can decree secrecy for one hundred years for his allies and info that could prove he lies to his followers[1]. Transparency is one of the values described in Brazil's Constitution[2], that the parent still deny btw. Reference in Brazilian Portuguese, I'm sorry again HN audience: 0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/governo-nao-tem-imagens-de-delgatti-no-alvorada-e-em-ministerio-e-alega-limitacao-de-armazenamento/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/governo-nao-tem-imagen... 1. https://www.poder360.com.br/governo/relembre-casos-em-que-o-governo-decretou-sigilo-de-100-anos/ https://www.poder360.com.br/governo/relembre-casos-em-que-o-... 2. https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constituicao.htm#art5xxxiii https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constitui...

by Xunjin 3y ago

matheusmoreira 3y ago

So? They believed a lie. Doesn't turn what happened there on that day into a coup. When you want to take power, you don't do the utterly pointless stuff they did. You want to seize power, you don't show up to an empty supreme court to shit on its chairs. That's just stupid. I think it's far more likely that it was a false flag operation from the start designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under. How else could we possibly go from a democracy to a state where a supreme court judge can openly and publicly showboat to an audience about defeating Bolsonaro alongside his fellow judge-kings? Can you imagine a US supreme court judge openly bragging about defeating Trump, stopping his campaign its tracks? And don't accuse me of "spreading misinformation". Everything I post here, I post in good faith because it's exactly what I think. I simply do not agree with you. You're not on brazilian social media. Either reply to me with respect or don't reply to me at all.

Xunjin 3y ago
You are spreading misinformation, read your own comment, here is an example: "[...]designed to justify the judiciary dictatorship we're currently living under." That's literally the fake news spread in far-right media, which seems you are consuming too much. Just because you don't agree with a decision done by the Supreme Court on Brazil (STF) doesn't mean it's a dictatorship. If you feel I caused any damage to you by point facts in your commentaries, you have the right to sue me, and I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :)
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  I don't need media to see and understand what's happening. That the "far-right" apparently agrees with me on this point doesn't prove that it's fake either. The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship. You expect me to believe this is not a judiciary dictatorship when these unelected judges are essentially running the country? Just today news came out saying they more or less created a tax. > I will have all the instances of defense garantee by our constitution :) What a joke. There is no constitution in this country. There's only the judge-king's whims. Whatever he writes on his paper is law. If I were to sue you, I'd succeed only in getting myself persecuted. So I'll flag your posts and stop responding to you. Goodbye.
  - Xunjin 3y ago
    Once more you are spreading misinformation and denying the reality. > There is no constitution in this country. There is and was promulgated in 1988.[0] > The supreme court has been grabbing power for years now and last year during the elections they committed blatantly unconstitutional acts in defense of their candidate including censorship the likes of which haven't been seen in this country since the military dictatorship. The TSE, the court you are referring to alongside with social medias, removed around three hundreds posts containing fake news, that so small that yet 79% Brazilians had contact with fake news[1], how is that a dictatorship? You are downplaying the dictatorship that happened in 1964 on Brazil. People were exiled/killed, ALL media were censored. I beg anyone who wants to know more about the coup of 64 read the wikipedia page is a good start on the subject, you will see how horrible and bloody it was. Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Brazil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_dictatorship_in_Bra... These references are in Brazilian Portuguese language, I'm sorry for it. [0] https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_brasileira_de_1988 https://pt.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitui%C3%A7%C3%A3o_brasi... [1] https://www.terra.com.br/byte/tse-nao-conseguiu-barrar-fake-news-veja-erros-e-acertos-nas-eleicoes,53c559f52b780006c714771c873b59cb6mzqyaxt.html https://www.terra.com.br/byte/tse-nao-conseguiu-barrar-fake-...
surgical_fire 3y ago
> So? They believed a lie Many a coup started with the people believing in lies. In fact, that's usually what happened historically.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  I don't doubt that people believed it. Belief alone doesn't make a coup attempt though. You have to actually try to seize power for it to be a coup attempt. I believe it was actually an attempt to do this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_protests_in_Brazil https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015%E2%80%932016_protests_in_... I think it's likely that the government took advantage of this context to create the perfect pretext for everything they're doing right now. There's a parliamentary investigation into the truth of these riots, latest news I have of that is that the security camera footage of that day has been mysteriously lost. I bet the CIA still has copies though. The footage was requested early this year, government stalled as much as it could but then Lula made some anti-Ukraine comments and soon after images of his people being friendly with the protesters mysteriously made its way to the CNN. I wouldn't be surprised if US agencies like the CIA were responsible for that.
  - Xunjin 3y ago
    Oh my god, you love to spread misinformation and conspiracy theories. The images that could prove either your “theory” or that Bolsonaro tried to, with Delgatti hacker know for the operation “Spoofing”, in some ways crack the voting machines are lost because of a technical decision done in Bolsonaro's government[0]. Bolsonaro's government is also known for using a law of National Security which a President can decree secrecy for one hundred years for his allies and info that could prove he lies to his followers[1]. Transparency is one of the values described in Brazil's Constitution[2], that the parent still deny btw. Reference in Brazilian Portuguese, I'm sorry again HN audience: 0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/governo-nao-tem-imagens-de-delgatti-no-alvorada-e-em-ministerio-e-alega-limitacao-de-armazenamento/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/governo-nao-tem-imagen... 1. https://www.poder360.com.br/governo/relembre-casos-em-que-o-governo-decretou-sigilo-de-100-anos/ https://www.poder360.com.br/governo/relembre-casos-em-que-o-... 2. https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constituicao.htm#art5xxxiii https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Constituicao/Constitui...