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Re-Form in the most literal sense seems necessary. A completely new department, from the ground up, with highly vetted employees and strong oversight. Run in

Re-Form in the most literal sense seems necessary. A completely new department, from the ground up, with highly vetted employees and strong oversight. Run in parallel with the old department and slowly cherry pick officers who fit the criteria.

heavyset_go 3y ago
Agreed. You can't fix this without replacing the people and culture that normalizes things like this: > Shortly after saying “she’s dead,” Auderer laughs and says “it’s a regular person,” referring to Kandula. He then says “just write a check -- $11,000, she was 26 anyway, she had limited value.”
presentation 3y ago
It’s not just the department, it’s American culture. The whole country needs a heart transplant.
hindsightbias 3y ago
Do you know a single person who is a cop? Any Oxford grads you have in mind for highly vetted? Because those people don’t exist. And even if you found that unicorn, they won’t be one after a year. I distrust the blues as much as anyone, but I grok why they are the way they are. It’s a shitty job, and all they have are their bros.
- Nevermark 3y ago
  They also have their culture, which isn’t some deterministic destined thing. It is self perpetuating. Unless something serious is done to break the pattern. (By definition: non-self perpetuating cultures rapidly don’t exist.)
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  It's a highly paid job, police are often the highest paid employees on a government's payroll. The officer in question in the OP makes $154k/yr according to open records, which is only $1k over the median salary for the SPD, and cops in the same department make over $250k with overtime and overtime fraud[1]. They can also retire with a full pension and benefits after only 20 years of working. They have way more than their "bros". They also have multibillion dollar unions, governments and lobbyists on their side, as well. [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seattle-police-department-employees-made-at-least-200000-last-year-heres-how/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seatt...
krapp 3y ago
>Run in parallel with the old department and slowly cherry pick officers who fit the criteria. No. Any cop who was willing to put up with the corruption for a paycheck is implicit in supporting the system, and the old department is the problem. There are no good apples. Burn the entire system down. Fire everyone, no pensions, no gold watches. Start over from scratch, rethinking policing as a concept. When BLM started saying "defund the police" people walked the concept back immediately, and maybe for good reason, but mostly because it was too upsetting to the status quo to even consider. But we need that kind of radical thinking, because the system is broken, rotten from the head and blood-soaked down to the floorboards. Nothing less than revolution, a complete rethinking of policing as a concept, can fix it.

heavyset_go 3y ago

Agreed. You can't fix this without replacing the people and culture that normalizes things like this: > Shortly after saying “she’s dead,” Auderer laughs and says “it’s a regular person,” referring to Kandula. He then says “just write a check -- $11,000, she was 26 anyway, she had limited value.”

presentation 3y ago

It’s not just the department, it’s American culture. The whole country needs a heart transplant.

hindsightbias 3y ago

Do you know a single person who is a cop? Any Oxford grads you have in mind for highly vetted? Because those people don’t exist. And even if you found that unicorn, they won’t be one after a year. I distrust the blues as much as anyone, but I grok why they are the way they are. It’s a shitty job, and all they have are their bros.

Nevermark 3y ago
They also have their culture, which isn’t some deterministic destined thing. It is self perpetuating. Unless something serious is done to break the pattern. (By definition: non-self perpetuating cultures rapidly don’t exist.)
heavyset_go 3y ago
It's a highly paid job, police are often the highest paid employees on a government's payroll. The officer in question in the OP makes $154k/yr according to open records, which is only $1k over the median salary for the SPD, and cops in the same department make over $250k with overtime and overtime fraud[1]. They can also retire with a full pension and benefits after only 20 years of working. They have way more than their "bros". They also have multibillion dollar unions, governments and lobbyists on their side, as well. [1] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seattle-police-department-employees-made-at-least-200000-last-year-heres-how/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/374-seatt...

krapp 3y ago

>Run in parallel with the old department and slowly cherry pick officers who fit the criteria. No. Any cop who was willing to put up with the corruption for a paycheck is implicit in supporting the system, and the old department is the problem. There are no good apples. Burn the entire system down. Fire everyone, no pensions, no gold watches. Start over from scratch, rethinking policing as a concept. When BLM started saying "defund the police" people walked the concept back immediately, and maybe for good reason, but mostly because it was too upsetting to the status quo to even consider. But we need that kind of radical thinking, because the system is broken, rotten from the head and blood-soaked down to the floorboards. Nothing less than revolution, a complete rethinking of policing as a concept, can fix it.