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Yep. It’s why the Texas situation is so silly.

MichaelZuo 3y ago
It's possible to still net lose money by exporting power. So much so that it might even still make sense to not do it even after a catastrophic failure every decade or two. The actual calculation will need to be done by those who have the figures and exact costs handy.
- jamiek88 3y ago
  Who the hell was talking about the marginal profits when the clear alternative is ‘occasional catastrophe’. What a ghoulish, inhumane, MBA (but i repeat myself) perspective.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    > Who the hell was talking about the marginal profits when the clear alternative is ‘occasional catastrophe’. You are the first to bring up 'marginal profits', so it seems like arguing against your own idea, or at best a self-imagined strawman. Did you intend to reply to the post instead? Though the closest in what Patrick wrote is still not this concept.
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  Why even go down the road of trying to rationalize catastrophes for millions of people if you don't even have any numbers or evidence? Your post boils down to "maybe it's fine (based on nothing) for people to freeze or die in heat from a grid that's isolated for political reasons"
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Did you misread my comment? If not, what 'numbers or evidence' are you referring to? The only thing I mentioned, costs and figures, are explicitly not known by me, so it seems bizarre to think I made judgements based on non existent knowledge. The rest seems like your own rambling thoughts.
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Did you misread my comment? Texas has an isolated grid. They can't buy or export power. This causes grid overloads. People have ended up freezing and dying in heat waves due to power outages. You said "maybe it ok, maybe it saves money even if there are catastrophes, but I don't even know what the money is like". Why would you say that a terrible power grid induces crisis is ok at all, let alone when you don't even know how the money breaks down?
      - jamiek88 3y ago
        Thank you. This is precisely what I wanted to reply but didn’t trust myself last night to not get in trouble with dang. He is the one who specifically brought up profits as a potential reason to accept catastrophe then got all offended and aggressive, name calling etc when people challenged this. Even going as far as to deny bringing profits into it THEN admitting he had no idea of the numbers but STILL doubling down on the ‘don’t believe your lying eyes about what I wrote’. I genuinely questioned whether it was just me until I checked back in the thread this morning.
        MichaelZuo 3y ago
        If I'm somehow being 'offended and aggressive' you are free to copy and paste whichever quote(s) from my previous comments to prove this? So far as I can tell you have not done so, and, judging from appearances, the one writing offended and aggressive comments is not me.
        jamiek88 3y ago
        You edited your posts, thank you for realising you'd gone too far. You used the words 'edgy' and 'pathetic' amongst others. I'm sure the edit history is available to mods if you wanna go there. I will no longer engage, you aren't doing it in good faith and you have lied several times on this thread alone.
        3y ago
Kirby64 3y ago
There are already DC ties to the other grids in Texas. They do buy and sell power from other regions. They just aren't particularly large ties, maybe capable of 2GW total?

It's possible to still net lose money by exporting power. So much so that it might even still make sense to not do it even after a catastrophic failure every decade or two. The actual calculation will need to be done by those who have the figures and exact costs handy.

jamiek88 3y ago
Who the hell was talking about the marginal profits when the clear alternative is ‘occasional catastrophe’. What a ghoulish, inhumane, MBA (but i repeat myself) perspective.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  > Who the hell was talking about the marginal profits when the clear alternative is ‘occasional catastrophe’. You are the first to bring up 'marginal profits', so it seems like arguing against your own idea, or at best a self-imagined strawman. Did you intend to reply to the post instead? Though the closest in what Patrick wrote is still not this concept.
CyberDildonics 3y ago
Why even go down the road of trying to rationalize catastrophes for millions of people if you don't even have any numbers or evidence? Your post boils down to "maybe it's fine (based on nothing) for people to freeze or die in heat from a grid that's isolated for political reasons"
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Did you misread my comment? If not, what 'numbers or evidence' are you referring to? The only thing I mentioned, costs and figures, are explicitly not known by me, so it seems bizarre to think I made judgements based on non existent knowledge. The rest seems like your own rambling thoughts.
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    Did you misread my comment? Texas has an isolated grid. They can't buy or export power. This causes grid overloads. People have ended up freezing and dying in heat waves due to power outages. You said "maybe it ok, maybe it saves money even if there are catastrophes, but I don't even know what the money is like". Why would you say that a terrible power grid induces crisis is ok at all, let alone when you don't even know how the money breaks down?
    - jamiek88 3y ago
      Thank you. This is precisely what I wanted to reply but didn’t trust myself last night to not get in trouble with dang. He is the one who specifically brought up profits as a potential reason to accept catastrophe then got all offended and aggressive, name calling etc when people challenged this. Even going as far as to deny bringing profits into it THEN admitting he had no idea of the numbers but STILL doubling down on the ‘don’t believe your lying eyes about what I wrote’. I genuinely questioned whether it was just me until I checked back in the thread this morning.
      - MichaelZuo 3y ago
        If I'm somehow being 'offended and aggressive' you are free to copy and paste whichever quote(s) from my previous comments to prove this? So far as I can tell you have not done so, and, judging from appearances, the one writing offended and aggressive comments is not me.
        jamiek88 3y ago
        You edited your posts, thank you for realising you'd gone too far. You used the words 'edgy' and 'pathetic' amongst others. I'm sure the edit history is available to mods if you wanna go there. I will no longer engage, you aren't doing it in good faith and you have lied several times on this thread alone.
        3y ago

Kirby64 3y ago

There are already DC ties to the other grids in Texas. They do buy and sell power from other regions. They just aren't particularly large ties, maybe capable of 2GW total?