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> nor the attempted January 8 coup succeeded What effect would this have had?

ufo 3y ago
Bolsonaro is pro-deforestation. It was literally one of his campaign promises.
Qem 3y ago
It appears he intended to get a brazilian supreme court minister arrested, void the election he lost, declare martial law ("intervenção") and extend his first term indefinitely, backed by a military junta.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  He was never gonna do any of that. Half the brazilian population practically begged him to do it and he didn't.
  - lacrimacida 3y ago
    How do you know what would he do and what stopped him?
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      I don't know. I simply don't believe he would have or could have done it. He either lacked the military support for such a thing or he lacked the balls to do it. It wasn't for a lack of popular support, I'll tell you that. I watched many of my countrymen get on their knees and beg for military intervention. Way too many of them. On brazilian independence day, I saw an insane number of people on the streets because of him. I thought brazilian nationalism was dead and buried until I saw that. It got to the point they tried to make it illegal to associate the holiday with Bolsonaro. All those people, they would have supported him. I'm sure of that.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    He certainly wanted to, but didn't have enough support, especially from foreign nations. He might actually end up in jail because of his plans to do a coup. We'll have to wait and see.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      I agree that's the likely scenario. I don't doubt he'll end up in jail but I don't think they'll arrest him for that. Of all the extremely dumb shit he's said and done, they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system. I bet whatever they arrest him for will be an equally inconsequential non-crime. It's like the courts are trying to be ironic. They'll probably give him 22 years of jail too just because it's his party's number.
      - Xunjin 3y ago
        HN audience, I apologize for this spread of misinformation by the parent, here is some information about it: > they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system. Again, this is a lie, or denying reality: Bolsonaro systematically attacked the Brazilian voting system, which he has been elected for thirty years (before becoming President). In 2021, he used the State Television to spread lies about the voting system and saying that If the printed vote was denied by our Congress he will never touch in such subject, another lie by him[0]. In July 2022, he stated that he won the elections in the first turn, saying he had concrete proof about it, which he has never shown. Moreover, in the same month he called ambassadors from 70 countries to spread more lies and question the validity of the Brazilian vote machines[0], which rendered him convicted for Electoral crime. Here is an except from the Electoral Supreme Court Minister Benedito Gonçalves's referendum[1], a rough Google Translate: "I consider the request to convict the first person investigated, Jair Messias Bolsonaro, partially valid for the practice of abuse of political power and misuse of media in the 2022 elections, due to his direct and personal responsibility for the illicit conduct carried out for the benefit of his candidacy for re-election. I declare your ineligibility for 8 years following the 2022 election." Reference again in Brazilian Portuguese: 0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/relembre-vezes-em-que-jair-bolsonaro-questionou-o-sistema-eleitoral/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/relembre-vezes-em-que-... 1. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2023/06/27/relator-vota-no-tse-para-tornar-bolsonaro-inelegivel.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2023/06/27/relator-vot...

ufo 3y ago

Bolsonaro is pro-deforestation. It was literally one of his campaign promises.

Qem 3y ago

It appears he intended to get a brazilian supreme court minister arrested, void the election he lost, declare martial law ("intervenção") and extend his first term indefinitely, backed by a military junta.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
He was never gonna do any of that. Half the brazilian population practically begged him to do it and he didn't.
- lacrimacida 3y ago
  How do you know what would he do and what stopped him?
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I don't know. I simply don't believe he would have or could have done it. He either lacked the military support for such a thing or he lacked the balls to do it. It wasn't for a lack of popular support, I'll tell you that. I watched many of my countrymen get on their knees and beg for military intervention. Way too many of them. On brazilian independence day, I saw an insane number of people on the streets because of him. I thought brazilian nationalism was dead and buried until I saw that. It got to the point they tried to make it illegal to associate the holiday with Bolsonaro. All those people, they would have supported him. I'm sure of that.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  He certainly wanted to, but didn't have enough support, especially from foreign nations. He might actually end up in jail because of his plans to do a coup. We'll have to wait and see.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    I agree that's the likely scenario. I don't doubt he'll end up in jail but I don't think they'll arrest him for that. Of all the extremely dumb shit he's said and done, they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system. I bet whatever they arrest him for will be an equally inconsequential non-crime. It's like the courts are trying to be ironic. They'll probably give him 22 years of jail too just because it's his party's number.
    - Xunjin 3y ago
      HN audience, I apologize for this spread of misinformation by the parent, here is some information about it: > they rendered him ineligible for his perfectly valid criticism of the electronic voting system. Again, this is a lie, or denying reality: Bolsonaro systematically attacked the Brazilian voting system, which he has been elected for thirty years (before becoming President). In 2021, he used the State Television to spread lies about the voting system and saying that If the printed vote was denied by our Congress he will never touch in such subject, another lie by him[0]. In July 2022, he stated that he won the elections in the first turn, saying he had concrete proof about it, which he has never shown. Moreover, in the same month he called ambassadors from 70 countries to spread more lies and question the validity of the Brazilian vote machines[0], which rendered him convicted for Electoral crime. Here is an except from the Electoral Supreme Court Minister Benedito Gonçalves's referendum[1], a rough Google Translate: "I consider the request to convict the first person investigated, Jair Messias Bolsonaro, partially valid for the practice of abuse of political power and misuse of media in the 2022 elections, due to his direct and personal responsibility for the illicit conduct carried out for the benefit of his candidacy for re-election. I declare your ineligibility for 8 years following the 2022 election." Reference again in Brazilian Portuguese: 0. https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/relembre-vezes-em-que-jair-bolsonaro-questionou-o-sistema-eleitoral/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/relembre-vezes-em-que-... 1. https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2023/06/27/relator-vota-no-tse-para-tornar-bolsonaro-inelegivel.ghtml https://g1.globo.com/politica/noticia/2023/06/27/relator-vot...