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> At the executive level of either organization one would be laughed out of the room for suggesting environmental issues should take priority over national secu

> At the executive level of either organization one would be laughed out of the room for suggesting environmental issues should take priority over national security Supposedly some folks are starting to frame climate issues as threats to national security. It may just be lip service so far, but we're now seeing "Meet the Climate Crisis" listed as one of the top 5 priorities for the US Department of Defense: https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3316641/secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-message-to-the-force/ https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/331664...

ipnon 3y ago
“Hell hath no wrath like a national security apparatus threatened,” I think that’s how it goes. Once USG, or Wall Street even, is threatened nothing is really off the table.
bombcar 3y ago
I’m always extremely suspicious of “we care about climate charge” arguments that always argue for exactly what the group has always wanted to do.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
  The Green Party comes to mind. They pushed for the shuttering of German nuclear plants and ended up increasing CO2 emissions.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    They pushed for the shuttering of something they considered (and consider) an existential risk to life on the planet, and believed that movement towards renewable electricity generation would occur relatively quickly (which is now starting to happen, but did not happen as fast as they believed it would). You can call it a failure of judgement, but it's not what was claimed in the GP.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      Yeah I was more referring to groups that want to do X, and then when a new "hot button" item appears (climate change, anti-racism, poverty, whatever) they quickly release how doing X is the solution to whatever is currently in the news. It's most obvious with companies, drinking Coke™ is always the solution, no matter what the problem, even if the problem is drinking too much Coke.

ipnon 3y ago

“Hell hath no wrath like a national security apparatus threatened,” I think that’s how it goes. Once USG, or Wall Street even, is threatened nothing is really off the table.

bombcar 3y ago

I’m always extremely suspicious of “we care about climate charge” arguments that always argue for exactly what the group has always wanted to do.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y ago
The Green Party comes to mind. They pushed for the shuttering of German nuclear plants and ended up increasing CO2 emissions.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  They pushed for the shuttering of something they considered (and consider) an existential risk to life on the planet, and believed that movement towards renewable electricity generation would occur relatively quickly (which is now starting to happen, but did not happen as fast as they believed it would). You can call it a failure of judgement, but it's not what was claimed in the GP.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    Yeah I was more referring to groups that want to do X, and then when a new "hot button" item appears (climate change, anti-racism, poverty, whatever) they quickly release how doing X is the solution to whatever is currently in the news. It's most obvious with companies, drinking Coke™ is always the solution, no matter what the problem, even if the problem is drinking too much Coke.