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> e.g. while Russia is responsible for invading, Victoria Nuland was caught red-handed orchestrating the Ukrainian coup/government that precipitated it. The cl
by vonnik 3y ago
> e.g. while Russia is responsible for invading, Victoria Nuland was caught red-handed orchestrating the Ukrainian coup/government that precipitated it.
The claim of "orchestrating a coup" is unsupported by evidence, and any both-sidesism does not do justice to the fact that:
a) Ukraine has the right to elect whomever they want to govern their country, despite Russia's preferences to create vassals of its neighbor states
b) Russia has twice invaded Ukraine (as well as other neighbors like Georgia) and thus directly caused hundreds of thousands of deaths on both sides
Between Ukraine and Russia, only one of them is illegally occupying the territory of the other, only one of them is operating torture chambers in the territory of the other, and only one of them has kidnapped more than a million children from the territory of the other. There is no both sides between Russia and Ukraine in terms of guilt.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-crimes-russia-controlled-areas https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/04/03/ukraine-apparent-war-cri...
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/03/war-crimes-indiscriminate-attacks-infrastructure-systematic-and-widespread https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/03/war-crimes-i...
Israel is doing a great deal to support Ukraine with humanitarian and non-lethal military aid (like helmets) because Iran is on the other side, although you are correct to note that the situation is complicated, largely because of Russia support for a bloody regime in Syria.
https://kyivindependent.com/on-support-for-ukraine-israel-performs-precarious-balancing-act-between-security-interests/ https://kyivindependent.com/on-support-for-ukraine-israel-pe...
People focused on US actions during the Yanukovych years seem to believe that he himself was legitimate, when there is much evidence that he was corrupt, anti-democratic and supported by Russia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yanukovych-luxury-residence-and-money-trail-that-leads-to-london/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yanukovych-luxury-resid...
As for the 15% claim, I would add that a large part of that 15% supporting Ukraine includes countries that share a border with Russia or its vassals, including eastern EU and NATO states, as well as Japan and S. Korea. Those countries have the most skin in the game, and their position and actions in this conflict should be given much greater weight than the rest of the world. It's not a coincidence that they want Russia's wars of expansion to stop in Donbass.
Ask Finland, Poland, Romania, or any of the Baltic states about who they want to win in Ukraine and you will get a very clear answer. Their populations have all been under the Kremlin's yoke or fought a war against Moscow in living memory.