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Apple should use financial means to destroy these companies. Working at these companies should be a black mark on the records of the employees. I won't hire som
by rnk 3y ago
Apple should use financial means to destroy these companies. Working at these companies should be a black mark on the records of the employees. I won't hire someone who worked at one of these companies. I know probably my own government tries to hack into people's phones, I don't want that either; my govt should not be selling their capabilities to other governments. If we make working at these companies something terrible on someone's jobs record, we might prevent people from going there.
Companies that do these kinds of things are a menace to society, because those tools get used for evil purposes (not just spying on terrorists). Plenty of other governments benefit from using these spy tools themselves, but we all know they fall into the hands of despotic governments like Saudi Arabia and they are used to harass and attempt to control journalists, people advocating against their governments.
What I'd like to see is Apple uses their enormous influence and financial power to sue these companies and drive them out of business. They should financially attack the companies doing this and make it known they will work to destroy them.
- zozbot234 3y ago> not just spying on terrorists Ah, but what about spying on "Nazis" and "foreign influence organizations"? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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- voldacar 3y agoIf I were apple I would seriously consider hiring hitmen or at the very least PIs to surveil everyone who works at these companies
- tonyarkles 3y agoIf I understand correctly, NSO is primarily staffed with retired or current Mossad/Israeli Sigint folks. Have fun!
- sneak 3y agoI am reminded again of this classic: https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1401_08-12_mickens.pdf cmd-f "submarine"
- rnk 3y agoNo, that's not helpful. No one should suggest personal harm.
- vkou 3y agoNo, they should just be treated like the criminals that they are. Subject to arrest and prosecution to the full extent of the law should their engineers, managers, executives, owners, and financial backers even think of setting a foot outside Israel.
- voldacar 3y agoWhat is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
- jonfw 3y agoHow would apple suing the NSO work? They're based out of Israel. I wouldn't imagine Israeli courts are going to let an american megacorp take down one of their biggest industries
- Dah00n 3y agoSuing across borders is not a problem at all. It is only an issue if you want to sue someone protected by the state. So, well, yes, in this case it world be allowed as much as if NSO tried the same to a US company.
- Dah00n 3y agoSure. Same logic fits anyone working for anything Snowden revealed too. Previous work at USG/NSO/other places as bad? "Sorry, we don't see you as a good fit in our company".
- brokenodo 3y agoApple has sued them. So has Meta, and the Supreme Court recently declined an NSO appeal, which means the lawsuits can proceed. https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-metas-whatsapp-pursue-pegasus-spyware-suit-2023-01-09/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-metas-wh...
- trogdor 3y agoApple sued NSO Group in 2021. See https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61570971/apple-inc-v-nso-group-technologies-limited/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/61570971/apple-inc-v-ns...
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