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So basically Emacs with Elisp replaced with Fennel and a more responsive UI...

by ducktective 3y ago

packetlost 3y ago
Emacs is a whoooooole lot more than an editor and Lispy config language.
- thih9 3y ago
  What else is there apart from an editor and a lispy config language? I always thought of emacs as that, i.e. an editor that is extensible and dev friendly (in contrast to vimscript). I don’t know much about emacs though, so this got me curious.
  - MassiveBonk51 3y ago
    Well the famous joke is "Emacs is an OS that lacks a decent text editor." (Yes Evil mode exists) Emacs can do basically anything you write an extension for it to do. It can be your calendar, your email client, your rss reader or even your git gui on top of being an editor. Emacs can do so much that it's daunting to start using.
    - trenchgun 3y ago
      > Emacs can do basically anything you write an extension for it to do. It can be your calendar, your email client, your rss reader or even your git gui on top of being an editor. Emacs can do so much that it's daunting to start using. Vim can do all of those things.
      - iLemming 3y ago
        > Vim can do all of those things. You can build a graphics editor in the browser, but it probably will never reach the level of Photoshop. Emacs can emulate Vim to a fairly good extent. However, I don't think Vim can ever surpass Emacs in terms of power and extensibility. It's simply the way Emacs is built. I love Vim, and I am a die-hard Vimmer. But I have to admit there are things that work in Emacs in a way that no other editor, whether it's Vim, VSCode, or anything else, does better.
  - Tao3300 3y ago
    Though it looks and acts like that, and can be used in such a way with no problem, in a sense, you've got it inside out. From the GNU Emacs homepage: At its core is an interpreter for Emacs Lisp, a dialect of the Lisp programming language with extensions to support text editing. It's not an editor with a lispy config language, it's a Lispy interpreter that comes with an editor that can configure it via said Lisp. It's kinda like one of those Smalltalk VMs where the line is blurred between the code you're writing and the environment that it runs in.
  - forward-slashed 3y ago
    The interactivity is one. It's easy to evaluate expressions from within the editor. I am not sure you can programmatically change aspects of nvim on the fly, and even if so, probably not a central component of nvim experience. M-x in Emacs is much more powerful than : in (n)vim.
eddythompson80 3y ago
What if I don’t want to run a daemon for my text editor?
j16sdiz 3y ago
No, vim is not an OS

So basically Emacs with Elisp replaced with Fennel and a more responsive UI...

packetlost 3y ago

Emacs is a whoooooole lot more than an editor and Lispy config language.

thih9 3y ago
What else is there apart from an editor and a lispy config language? I always thought of emacs as that, i.e. an editor that is extensible and dev friendly (in contrast to vimscript). I don’t know much about emacs though, so this got me curious.
- MassiveBonk51 3y ago
  Well the famous joke is "Emacs is an OS that lacks a decent text editor." (Yes Evil mode exists) Emacs can do basically anything you write an extension for it to do. It can be your calendar, your email client, your rss reader or even your git gui on top of being an editor. Emacs can do so much that it's daunting to start using.
  - trenchgun 3y ago
    > Emacs can do basically anything you write an extension for it to do. It can be your calendar, your email client, your rss reader or even your git gui on top of being an editor. Emacs can do so much that it's daunting to start using. Vim can do all of those things.
    - iLemming 3y ago
      > Vim can do all of those things. You can build a graphics editor in the browser, but it probably will never reach the level of Photoshop. Emacs can emulate Vim to a fairly good extent. However, I don't think Vim can ever surpass Emacs in terms of power and extensibility. It's simply the way Emacs is built. I love Vim, and I am a die-hard Vimmer. But I have to admit there are things that work in Emacs in a way that no other editor, whether it's Vim, VSCode, or anything else, does better.
- Tao3300 3y ago
  Though it looks and acts like that, and can be used in such a way with no problem, in a sense, you've got it inside out. From the GNU Emacs homepage: At its core is an interpreter for Emacs Lisp, a dialect of the Lisp programming language with extensions to support text editing. It's not an editor with a lispy config language, it's a Lispy interpreter that comes with an editor that can configure it via said Lisp. It's kinda like one of those Smalltalk VMs where the line is blurred between the code you're writing and the environment that it runs in.
- forward-slashed 3y ago
  The interactivity is one. It's easy to evaluate expressions from within the editor. I am not sure you can programmatically change aspects of nvim on the fly, and even if so, probably not a central component of nvim experience. M-x in Emacs is much more powerful than : in (n)vim.

eddythompson80 3y ago

What if I don’t want to run a daemon for my text editor?

j16sdiz 3y ago

No, vim is not an OS