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"Let's put it like this: we can use your standards in our legislation, and everyone will need training and information and assistance with the more technical as

"Let's put it like this: we can use your standards in our legislation, and everyone will need training and information and assistance with the more technical aspects of the standard, and you can derive revenue from that. Or we can use some other standards, and yours will have approximately zero value to anyone. What do you think?"

tialaramex 3y ago
Further, if in fact your standard was the only possibility (and so we can't have a different standard), there was in fact no creative element to your standard, and so it not only isn't protected from copying and redistribution for the purpose of informing people as to the law, but never protected at all since it had no creative element. And yes, in practice we see that there is much more demand for relatively compact, opinionated books about something standard (e.g. "Beautiful C++" the most recent book from Kate Gregory) than there is for the large volumes of tremendously dry technical documentation which makes up the standard itself, a draft of which (nobody who matters cares about the "official" document) is here: https://timsong-cpp.github.io/cppwp/ https://timsong-cpp.github.io/cppwp/ I'd guess that you'll shift way more of a video course on the correct use of fire extinguishers than you would of a dry document specifying exactly how many litres of what retardants shall be provided to fight a fire of so-and-such proportions. Just make sure you don't persuade legislators to make watching your video a legal requirement and you can sell those for a nice healthy profit.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  Also, see construction in general: far more people interested in watching people like Matt Risinger or Stud Pack deconstruct construction, so to speak, than document every last detail of the relevant building code(s). "How to build it really good (and to code)" is far more in demand than "Tell me what the code is".
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
Seems like the obvious solution is to ban the use of private standards in public law. A vendor may choose to be eligible for having its standards used in the law by making them open/public/free for use, xor it can keep them private.
- PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
  Pretty sure that's what this court ruling just did.

tialaramex 3y ago

Further, if in fact your standard was the only possibility (and so we can't have a different standard), there was in fact no creative element to your standard, and so it not only isn't protected from copying and redistribution for the purpose of informing people as to the law, but never protected at all since it had no creative element. And yes, in practice we see that there is much more demand for relatively compact, opinionated books about something standard (e.g. "Beautiful C++" the most recent book from Kate Gregory) than there is for the large volumes of tremendously dry technical documentation which makes up the standard itself, a draft of which (nobody who matters cares about the "official" document) is here: https://timsong-cpp.github.io/cppwp/ https://timsong-cpp.github.io/cppwp/ I'd guess that you'll shift way more of a video course on the correct use of fire extinguishers than you would of a dry document specifying exactly how many litres of what retardants shall be provided to fight a fire of so-and-such proportions. Just make sure you don't persuade legislators to make watching your video a legal requirement and you can sell those for a nice healthy profit.

PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
Also, see construction in general: far more people interested in watching people like Matt Risinger or Stud Pack deconstruct construction, so to speak, than document every last detail of the relevant building code(s). "How to build it really good (and to code)" is far more in demand than "Tell me what the code is".

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

Seems like the obvious solution is to ban the use of private standards in public law. A vendor may choose to be eligible for having its standards used in the law by making them open/public/free for use, xor it can keep them private.

PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
Pretty sure that's what this court ruling just did.