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So we pay almost $1000 for phone and then we should pay subscription for cloud storage and be happy because UX is ok and we didn't have to pay for extremely ove

So we pay almost $1000 for phone and then we should pay subscription for cloud storage and be happy because UX is ok and we didn't have to pay for extremely overpriced piece of NAND storage to avoid subscription. Modern customers stray further from God every day.

theshrike79 3y ago
I did the math. It’s cheaper to pay for the 2TB iCloud for 2 years than it would be to upgrade to larger storage on the phone. It’s actually even less because my whole family uses the same quota together.
- dzikimarian 3y ago
  That's because on-device storage is overpriced in order to make your math work :-) Then it's easy decision to throw in a few more dollars for streaming service and you are nice recurring revenue instead one-time sell. Also it's probably cheaper only if you consider only Apple ecosystem. Other mid-range device comparable to base iPhone with bigger storage is probably cheaper.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    I might be weird but I specifically don't want my media and data to live only in a terabyte of storage I carry with me. I want to upload it all to the cloud as fast as possible so it won't get lost if the device is stolen/breaks/gets lost.
    - turquoisevar 3y ago
      I guess we’re both of bunch of weirdos because I’m reading through some of these comments and am wondering if there’s some sort of Luddite convention that I’m unaware of. The idea that all of my media would be stuck on one device and at risk or that I would have to go through the laborious process of manually syncing it all regularly by hooking up my devices is a nightmare. Everything automatically syncs to all my devices, including photos and videos me and my SO take in each other’s presence, all recent media is immediately available at the highest native resolutions and I never have to worry about anything. I’ve got terabytes full of stuff going back years and for good measure I’ve got an automated backup running to a NAS. Out of an old fashioned mindset I’ve got a moderately upgraded iPhone with 256GB, but 200GB of it is apps because I tend to download apps from fellow developers. A fraction of that is spend on photos and videos because of automatic storage optimization and a fraction is used for music and podcasts that’s also automatically managed for when I’m traveling. I’ve got professional cameras and by far the most annoying part is transferring media despite having access to the highest theoretical transfer speeds available on the market today.
gambiting 3y ago
It also provides you backup which if you value your photos you'd have anyway.....so presumably if you didn't pay it to apple you would pay it to someone else, but with worse UX and integration. Like, there is a value in what Apple is offering. It means someone like my mum never ever has to think about storage or backing up anything, when she lost her phone she got a new one out of a box, signed in and all of her stuff was there without having to do anything. As a power user, could you achieve the same for less? Sure, but for average user the value is there.
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lotsofpulp 3y ago
Or buyers, across all of time, experience utility differently person to person, and hence end up with different utility per dollar calculations and hence different purchasing decisions.
- dzikimarian 3y ago
  And most importantly with different price of solid state storage chip, which quickly changes depending if it's inside or outside of the smartphone :-)
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Once the chip is inside the smartphone, the price is not for the solid state storage chip. The price is for the phone. Kind of like the price of a specific avocado does not exist after it has been turned into guacamole.
    - dzikimarian 3y ago
      Yeah, but if you can order identical guacamole with one pinch of salt for $5 and guacamole with two pinches of salt for $20 without feeling a little screwed you probably need some guac rechab :-)
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theshrike79 3y ago

I did the math. It’s cheaper to pay for the 2TB iCloud for 2 years than it would be to upgrade to larger storage on the phone. It’s actually even less because my whole family uses the same quota together.

dzikimarian 3y ago
That's because on-device storage is overpriced in order to make your math work :-) Then it's easy decision to throw in a few more dollars for streaming service and you are nice recurring revenue instead one-time sell. Also it's probably cheaper only if you consider only Apple ecosystem. Other mid-range device comparable to base iPhone with bigger storage is probably cheaper.
- theshrike79 3y ago
  I might be weird but I specifically don't want my media and data to live only in a terabyte of storage I carry with me. I want to upload it all to the cloud as fast as possible so it won't get lost if the device is stolen/breaks/gets lost.
  - turquoisevar 3y ago
    I guess we’re both of bunch of weirdos because I’m reading through some of these comments and am wondering if there’s some sort of Luddite convention that I’m unaware of. The idea that all of my media would be stuck on one device and at risk or that I would have to go through the laborious process of manually syncing it all regularly by hooking up my devices is a nightmare. Everything automatically syncs to all my devices, including photos and videos me and my SO take in each other’s presence, all recent media is immediately available at the highest native resolutions and I never have to worry about anything. I’ve got terabytes full of stuff going back years and for good measure I’ve got an automated backup running to a NAS. Out of an old fashioned mindset I’ve got a moderately upgraded iPhone with 256GB, but 200GB of it is apps because I tend to download apps from fellow developers. A fraction of that is spend on photos and videos because of automatic storage optimization and a fraction is used for music and podcasts that’s also automatically managed for when I’m traveling. I’ve got professional cameras and by far the most annoying part is transferring media despite having access to the highest theoretical transfer speeds available on the market today.

gambiting 3y ago

It also provides you backup which if you value your photos you'd have anyway.....so presumably if you didn't pay it to apple you would pay it to someone else, but with worse UX and integration. Like, there is a value in what Apple is offering. It means someone like my mum never ever has to think about storage or backing up anything, when she lost her phone she got a new one out of a box, signed in and all of her stuff was there without having to do anything. As a power user, could you achieve the same for less? Sure, but for average user the value is there.

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lotsofpulp 3y ago

Or buyers, across all of time, experience utility differently person to person, and hence end up with different utility per dollar calculations and hence different purchasing decisions.

dzikimarian 3y ago
And most importantly with different price of solid state storage chip, which quickly changes depending if it's inside or outside of the smartphone :-)
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Once the chip is inside the smartphone, the price is not for the solid state storage chip. The price is for the phone. Kind of like the price of a specific avocado does not exist after it has been turned into guacamole.
  - dzikimarian 3y ago
    Yeah, but if you can order identical guacamole with one pinch of salt for $5 and guacamole with two pinches of salt for $20 without feeling a little screwed you probably need some guac rechab :-)
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