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I wonder why Sweden is seeing an increase in criminality. Better seal my lips if I want to keep an account on HN. Why I find interesting is how some topics are

I wonder why Sweden is seeing an increase in criminality. Better seal my lips if I want to keep an account on HN. Why I find interesting is how some topics are basically self-censored whilst we like to pretend we’re having a free discussion.

zpeti 3y ago
> Why I find interesting is how some topics are basically self-censored whilst we like to pretend we’re having a free discussion Propaganda doesn't work because people actually believe it. It works because everyone thinks that everyone else has that information, and that's what the authority wants to believe, so you keep quiet and pretend you believe it. So does everyone else. So in the end everyone complies. But Solzhenitsyn said it better: “We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.” It's like these politically correct discussions, everyone knows what the elephant in the room is, but everyone pretends to not see it.
- happywolf 3y ago
  Exactly, and this kind of selective ignorance actually costs everybody dearly in the long run. Because we just cannot please everybody.
lillecarl 3y ago
We've had a rapid uncontrolled population increase, this in combination with a overregulated housing market causes problems. (housing regulation being rents are controlled for first party renters(artificially low)). This regulation means it's impossible to find a rental where you want to live because nobody builds them (they wouldn't be profitable). This is not the answer, but it belive it's part of it. That we increased our population with people who are either not educated or can't get their educations verified is also a problem. When I was younger I had faith the government was doing what's best for it's people, that's eroded into "these populist aholes will say anything to win votes no matter how it affects people" The superstrict regulation (but not enforcement, except when it's convenient) on drugs probably doesn't help either. I know a dude that was recently fined 19000 SEK for a couple grams of pot, he went to court and won though. My country is broken, in a seemingly unbreakable downwards spiral to becoming a first class shithole.
- retSava 3y ago
  Population increase yes, from immigration. The problems coming from the segregation stem from immigration (almost per definition), not "population increase" which sounds like Sweden experienced a huge baby boom. Sugar coating the problem or painting a different picture than what it is, is part of the problem. For example, of course there are challenges and costs with immigration, and it doesn't help anyone pretending there aren't. Of course immigration from low-education countries will have on general lower education. Pretending otherwise will ensure they won't get the help they need to become a part of the society. Of course patriarchical society immigrants will generally have a patriarchical mindset. It doesn't help that turning a blind eye to that just because you (not you specifically) is afraid being called a racist for calling that out. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
one_level_deep2 3y ago
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cjblomqvist 3y ago
Sorry, but please state a source for that claim. Now, I'm not much better, but from what I recall crime in general is going down - but there are some notable exceptions (gang crime related specifically).
- cjblomqvist 3y ago
  https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-crimes/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-cr... Seems like it's flat/down over the last 10 years.
  - fernandogmo 3y ago
    A quick look at the number of shootings over the past six years shows that the number of fatalities in shootings reached a new record in 2022. Moreover, a report published by the Swedish national council for crime prevention in 2021 found that Sweden was the only European country in which the number of fatal shootings per 100,000 inhabitant increased since 2000. https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/ https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/
    - cjblomqvist 3y ago
      Yep. But, not to be confused with overall crime rate (which my parent was referring to)! That's a very dangerous slide in facts.

zpeti 3y ago

> Why I find interesting is how some topics are basically self-censored whilst we like to pretend we’re having a free discussion Propaganda doesn't work because people actually believe it. It works because everyone thinks that everyone else has that information, and that's what the authority wants to believe, so you keep quiet and pretend you believe it. So does everyone else. So in the end everyone complies. But Solzhenitsyn said it better: “We know that they are lying, they know that they are lying, they even know that we know they are lying, we also know that they know we know they are lying too, they of course know that we certainly know they know we know they are lying too as well, but they are still lying. In our country, the lie has become not just moral category, but the pillar industry of this country.” It's like these politically correct discussions, everyone knows what the elephant in the room is, but everyone pretends to not see it.

happywolf 3y ago
Exactly, and this kind of selective ignorance actually costs everybody dearly in the long run. Because we just cannot please everybody.

lillecarl 3y ago

We've had a rapid uncontrolled population increase, this in combination with a overregulated housing market causes problems. (housing regulation being rents are controlled for first party renters(artificially low)). This regulation means it's impossible to find a rental where you want to live because nobody builds them (they wouldn't be profitable). This is not the answer, but it belive it's part of it. That we increased our population with people who are either not educated or can't get their educations verified is also a problem. When I was younger I had faith the government was doing what's best for it's people, that's eroded into "these populist aholes will say anything to win votes no matter how it affects people" The superstrict regulation (but not enforcement, except when it's convenient) on drugs probably doesn't help either. I know a dude that was recently fined 19000 SEK for a couple grams of pot, he went to court and won though. My country is broken, in a seemingly unbreakable downwards spiral to becoming a first class shithole.

retSava 3y ago
Population increase yes, from immigration. The problems coming from the segregation stem from immigration (almost per definition), not "population increase" which sounds like Sweden experienced a huge baby boom. Sugar coating the problem or painting a different picture than what it is, is part of the problem. For example, of course there are challenges and costs with immigration, and it doesn't help anyone pretending there aren't. Of course immigration from low-education countries will have on general lower education. Pretending otherwise will ensure they won't get the help they need to become a part of the society. Of course patriarchical society immigrants will generally have a patriarchical mindset. It doesn't help that turning a blind eye to that just because you (not you specifically) is afraid being called a racist for calling that out. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

one_level_deep2 3y ago

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cjblomqvist 3y ago

Sorry, but please state a source for that claim. Now, I'm not much better, but from what I recall crime in general is going down - but there are some notable exceptions (gang crime related specifically).

cjblomqvist 3y ago
https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-crimes/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/533790/sweden-rate-of-cr... Seems like it's flat/down over the last 10 years.
- fernandogmo 3y ago
  A quick look at the number of shootings over the past six years shows that the number of fatalities in shootings reached a new record in 2022. Moreover, a report published by the Swedish national council for crime prevention in 2021 found that Sweden was the only European country in which the number of fatal shootings per 100,000 inhabitant increased since 2000. https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/ https://www.statista.com/topics/7088/crime-in-sweden/
  - cjblomqvist 3y ago
    Yep. But, not to be confused with overall crime rate (which my parent was referring to)! That's a very dangerous slide in facts.