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Although it’s fair to say our social net needs patching, I find it interesting that I’ve made similar observations in some places here in the United States, esp

by CSSer 3y ago

Although it’s fair to say our social net needs patching, I find it interesting that I’ve made similar observations in some places here in the United States, especially in places with robust assistance. You might find our history on mental institutions interesting if you’re unfamiliar. They were billed as a solution to the group you describe, and they were initially very popular and widely supported politically. Unfortunately, most people know the rest of the story. The system was rife with abuse and cruelty. I think it left a terrible mark on the idea that we could help such people effectively.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
> The system was rife with abuse and cruelty. As I pointed out in an earlier thread, the prevailing opinion seems to be that the institutions were the source of abuse and cruelty, and that if we could only separate the providers and treatments from the institutions, then we would be magically wonderfully free of future abuse and cruelty. Is it any wonder that that hasn't exactly panned out? Now our mental institutions are simply borderless and invisible. There's nothing new under the sun.
P_I_Staker 3y ago
The system is still rife with abuse and cruelty. All the same problems are still there. Mental health workers (not just the doctor) can do whatever they want to the patients, with impunity. It's a driver of wrongful incarceration and abuse. As like with other issues not everyone is terrible, but there's also abusive people that would never hit anyone, or lie to hurt them. Their abuse is softer, but much more prevalent. For every cop that murders someone there's thousands that throw someone into a wall, prevent them from going to the bathroom, or put the cuffs on tight. There's also the prevalence of crackpot treatments, albeit with some research behind them. People with ADHD are routinely given medicine that simply doesn't work, sometimes after decades of successful treatment. They will also give you medication that's dangerous not to take, even though you will struggle to get and take your medicine due to the condition. That's just the tip of the iceberg and what I know about. I'm sure there's much more.

by CSSer 3y ago

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago

> The system was rife with abuse and cruelty. As I pointed out in an earlier thread, the prevailing opinion seems to be that the institutions were the source of abuse and cruelty, and that if we could only separate the providers and treatments from the institutions, then we would be magically wonderfully free of future abuse and cruelty. Is it any wonder that that hasn't exactly panned out? Now our mental institutions are simply borderless and invisible. There's nothing new under the sun.

P_I_Staker 3y ago

The system is still rife with abuse and cruelty. All the same problems are still there. Mental health workers (not just the doctor) can do whatever they want to the patients, with impunity. It's a driver of wrongful incarceration and abuse. As like with other issues not everyone is terrible, but there's also abusive people that would never hit anyone, or lie to hurt them. Their abuse is softer, but much more prevalent. For every cop that murders someone there's thousands that throw someone into a wall, prevent them from going to the bathroom, or put the cuffs on tight. There's also the prevalence of crackpot treatments, albeit with some research behind them. People with ADHD are routinely given medicine that simply doesn't work, sometimes after decades of successful treatment. They will also give you medication that's dangerous not to take, even though you will struggle to get and take your medicine due to the condition. That's just the tip of the iceberg and what I know about. I'm sure there's much more.