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Starlink at the moment of Cruise Missile/Sea drone attack on Black Sea fleet
- aaron695 3y ago[dead]
- brodouevencode 3y agoMusk claims that the fleet was entering into Crimea, a territory where the access was not available, and he refused to turn it on [1,2], and that he never actually turned anything off. He also claims that the terms of the Starlink usage agreement with Ukraine expressly prohibits using Starlink for offensive means. If true, this graph seems to show otherwise, UNLESS this was a mobile unit moving into the unserviced territory. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/09/08/elon-musk-calls-for-truce-between-russia-and-ukraine-as-he-denies-blocking-kyivs-starlink-access-during-major-offensive/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2023/09/08/elon-musk... [2] https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/09/10/exp-ukraine-russia-vote-musk-starkink-live-pleitgen-091004aseg2-cnni-world.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/09/10/exp-ukraine-russ...
- toomuchtodo 3y agoSome folks in Congress are attempting to initiate a probe, so more information should be available soon. It probably will not look great. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-sha... > To the dismay of Pentagon officials, Musk volunteered that he had spoken with Putin personally. Another individual told me that Musk had made the same assertion in the weeks before he tweeted his pro-Russia peace plan, and had said that his consultations with the Kremlin were regular. > On the phone, Musk said that he was looking at his laptop and could see “the entire war unfolding” through a map of Starlink activity. “This was, like, three minutes before he said, ‘Well, I had this great conversation with Putin,’ ” the senior defense official told me. “And we were, like, ‘Oh, dear, this is not good.’ ”
- seafoam 3y ago> It probably will not look great Freedom of speech ... peace ... yeah, who does this guy think he is ?
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- taylodl 3y agoThe United States is providing aid to the Ukraine to fight off Russia. While Russia may not technically be an enemy of the United States at the moment, the two nations aren't on the best of terms. This action can be construed as Musk aiding and abetting the Russians, with whom the United States is having "difficulties" with at the moment. Musk should keep in mind the United States has the power to denaturalize him and revoke his citizenship.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoDenaturalizing and revoking citizenship would be the least worst outcome assuming the US government tires of someone providing an enemy nation state material support.
- solardev 3y agoWould he even care? Probably a few dozen other nations would be happy to have him and his wealth. Billionaires like that exist outside the national borders that you and I live in... And plus, he probably still has South African citizenship?
- r721 3y agoIt's the moment of this night's attack what is depicted on OP's graph, here is a news story: >Ukrainian missiles strike Russian warships in Crimean naval base >Russia’s Defense Ministry said Ukrainian armed forces attacked the Sergo Ordzhonikidze shipyard in Sevastopol, which Russia uses as a repair base for its Black Sea Fleet, with 10 cruise missiles and three unmanned boats. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/13/europe/crimea-missile-attack-ukraine-russia-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/13/europe/crimea-missile-att...
- morkalork 3y agoYes, the implication being that there's been a second round of funny business by mr musk. I cannot comprehend how self-sabotaging this is. Ok, sure, starlink was going to have rural subscribers which is a lot of people but not as nearly a large market as urban telecom. And yeah, they'd have some customers in less developed countries that lack infrastructure. And sure, there's maritime shipping. But at the end of the day the real money maker, the one they could charge a premium to, was going to be the DoD. And he's pissing all over them.
- hollerith 3y agoI'm pretty sure the US DoD has its own network of satellites for communications and has had one before Starlink.
- chpatrick 3y agoI don't know if anyone's ever had the scale of launches necessary for a system like Starlink though. As far as I know rocket launches are public even if what they're carrying is confidential.
- oceanplexian 3y agoI’m sure they do, and it’s probably 45 years behind Starlink technologically. Starlink is the only game in town for low latency, high bandwidth satellite communications.
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- oh_sigh 3y agoWhy would Musk even be in the loop for a military operation taking place in Ukraine?
- morkalork 3y agoApparently one of his claims was that he could see the whole war unfold via a map starlink terminal locations. Which is highly disturbing considering he also admitting to speaking with Putin.
- hbossy 3y agoThe current trend in military technology is to have missiles and drones communicate via satellite link. It is much harder to track or jam such communication.
- victortan83 3y agoSomehow, none of the news outlets cared to ask if the Pentagon is ok with enabling Starlink coverage over Crimea, and Starlink terminals strapped on drones to bomb the Russia sea fleet. Pentagon has been..conspicuously silent
- jncfhnb 3y agoYou’ve been conspicuously silent about several questions I haven’t been asking you too. Export controls are a thing.
- CameronNemo 3y agoIs that what happened last night? Or was Elon just trying to disrupt Ukrainian communications on their own territory while they conducted their recent attack on Crimea?
- bryanlarsen 3y agoStarlink was down for pretty much the entire world last night. If they were deliberately trying to disturb a Crimean attack, I'm pretty sure they would do something a little more localized. https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/16h725g/starlink_down/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/16h725g/starlink_...
- iosjunkie 3y agoNot if you want plausible deniability.
- panick21_ 3y agoPeople truly have gone of the deep end when it comes to Musk conspiricy nonsense.
- olyjohn 3y agoI am pretty sure this has nothing to do with the outage last night.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThe OP tweet contains a connectivity graph showing an outage just after midnight this morning.
- megaman821 3y agoSo if Apple gave Ukraine free iPhones but didn't unlock them so they could be used as a part in drones, that would be evil right? I am pro-Ukraine, but civilian companies shouldn't be roped into armed conflicts. The DoD can buy and operate a satellite communication service from SpaceX and run it how they see fit.
- reaperman 3y ago> civilian companies shouldn't be roped into armed conflicts Do you think that in the most general sense, or do you mean they shouldn't be roped into this (Ukraine) conflict? Historically, civilian companies have always been leveraged by nations to re-tool and produce the vast majority of war materiel during a crisis[0] [1]: > The B-29 project was the largest and most expensive project undertaken during World War Two. It was even more expensive than the Manhattan Project. The American Automobile Industry was instrumental in supplying airframe components and engines for the B-29. Below are the automobile companies and their suppliers known to have participated in the building of the most complex aircraft to date. There are many more examples. 0: https://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com https://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com 1: https://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/b-29-usautoindustry.htm https://usautoindustryworldwartwo.com/b-29-usautoindustry.ht...
- megaman821 3y agoIf the US declares war, then it is justified to use civilian resources. Outside of that it is too ripe for abuse. It just makes it easier to slip into forever "wars" and never think about the tradeoffs.
- mdeeks 3y agoProbably at this point this is the closest the US can get to declaring war with another major nuclear power. Declaring actual war would probably escalate to a horrific end with nuclear weapons. The US is explicitly and very loudly supplying a massive amount of weapons to Ukraine for the purpose of killing Russian soldiers and equipment. It feels like a technicality that our troops aren't the ones pulling the triggers. I'm not weighing in on either side of this argument since I'm undecided, but I think this is what war looks like between nuclear nations.
- tibbydudeza 3y agoThe UK Storm Shadow cruise missile does not use Starlink - it is launched from a modified SU-24 bomber and then uses GPS to navigate to a target area via a preplanned flight plan to evade air defenses. When in the target area , it then uses onboard camera to "look" for a designated target profile (i.e ships, planes on the ground - russians recently put car tyres on their bombers in order to spoof it) before going into terminal descent and going ka-boom. Fortunately for Ukraine it does not need the internet to do it's job.
- Tommstein 3y agoThe sea drones aren't fire-and-forget though, they're remotely operated.
- tibbydudeza 3y agoAfaik they don't use Starlink terminals - traditional HF or UHF band radio. On the flat surface of a sea you don't have problems with maintaining LOS.
- aaomidi 3y agoI’m with Elon on this and I really dislike him. Pentagon doesn’t own American companies and if the U.S. government really wants to have global telecommunications everywhere they can build the infrastructure themselves. Good on Elon for being the only company standing up to the U.S. military industrial complex.