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By this point everyone who did NOT get the covid shots were supposed to be dead. It's weird that it didn't pan out that way.

rewmie 3y ago
> By this point everyone who did NOT get the covid shots were supposed to be dead. I have to call bullshit on your revisionism. From the very first day, covid vaccines were presented as a way to give your immune system a workout so that the risk of subsequent covid infections being serious or fatal would be far lower. Covid itself, without a vaccine, was already expected to have an absolute fatality rate of around 3%, which was weighted heavily by vulnerable cohorts like those over 40 and with preexisting conditions. Those who took the vaccine and were subsequently infected would either experience no COVID symptom at all or only experience mild cases, which contrasts with the huge surge of COVID cases that clogged intensive care units of basically all public healthcare systems in the world. It's high time that antivaxxers and COVID denialists go through a moment of reflection and introspection to look at all the bullshit they've been peddling. If you feel the need to lie and misrepresent and take the revisionist approach to the COVID pandemic, that already tells you that you have a hard time facing reality.
- mikecoles 3y ago
  Your bullshit detector is broken from being overloaded with your lies. The clogged ERs were from people being lied to about how dangerous COVID was. Simple cold, gotta get to the hospital. It's high time fear mongers go through a moment of reflection and introspection to look at all the bullshit they've been peddling. Get help, bud. Your world view is an illusions you bought into.
jitl 3y ago
well, a greater rate of death from COVID among the unvaccinated vs vaccinated is observed
dredmorbius 3y ago
"COVID-19 Incidence and Death Rates Among Unvaccinated and Fully Vaccinated Adults with and Without Booster Doses During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Emergence — 25 U.S. Jurisdictions, April 4–December 25, 2021" What is already known about this topic? Although COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness decreased with emergence of the Delta variant and waning of vaccine-induced immunity, protection against hospitalization and death has remained high. What is added by this report? In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021. Protection against infection and death during the Delta-predominant period and against infection during Omicron emergence were higher among booster vaccine dose recipients, especially among persons aged 50–64 and ≥65 years. What are the implications for public health practice? COVID-19 vaccination protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection, even as the Omicron variant became predominant. All eligible persons should stay up to date with COVID-19 vaccination. ... Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years. <https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm> Your specific claims are of course complete bullshit.
barryrandall 3y ago
~2% of those infected were predicted to not survive COVID infection. It's weird that it did pan out that way.

rewmie 3y ago

> By this point everyone who did NOT get the covid shots were supposed to be dead. I have to call bullshit on your revisionism. From the very first day, covid vaccines were presented as a way to give your immune system a workout so that the risk of subsequent covid infections being serious or fatal would be far lower. Covid itself, without a vaccine, was already expected to have an absolute fatality rate of around 3%, which was weighted heavily by vulnerable cohorts like those over 40 and with preexisting conditions. Those who took the vaccine and were subsequently infected would either experience no COVID symptom at all or only experience mild cases, which contrasts with the huge surge of COVID cases that clogged intensive care units of basically all public healthcare systems in the world. It's high time that antivaxxers and COVID denialists go through a moment of reflection and introspection to look at all the bullshit they've been peddling. If you feel the need to lie and misrepresent and take the revisionist approach to the COVID pandemic, that already tells you that you have a hard time facing reality.

mikecoles 3y ago
Your bullshit detector is broken from being overloaded with your lies. The clogged ERs were from people being lied to about how dangerous COVID was. Simple cold, gotta get to the hospital. It's high time fear mongers go through a moment of reflection and introspection to look at all the bullshit they've been peddling. Get help, bud. Your world view is an illusions you bought into.

jitl 3y ago

well, a greater rate of death from COVID among the unvaccinated vs vaccinated is observed

dredmorbius 3y ago

"COVID-19 Incidence and Death Rates Among Unvaccinated and Fully Vaccinated Adults with and Without Booster Doses During Periods of Delta and Omicron Variant Emergence — 25 U.S. Jurisdictions, April 4–December 25, 2021" What is already known about this topic? Although COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness decreased with emergence of the Delta variant and waning of vaccine-induced immunity, protection against hospitalization and death has remained high. What is added by this report? In 25 U.S. jurisdictions, decreases in case incidence rate ratios for unvaccinated versus fully vaccinated persons with and without booster vaccine doses were observed when the Omicron variant emerged in December 2021. Protection against infection and death during the Delta-predominant period and against infection during Omicron emergence were higher among booster vaccine dose recipients, especially among persons aged 50–64 and ≥65 years. What are the implications for public health practice? COVID-19 vaccination protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection, even as the Omicron variant became predominant. All eligible persons should stay up to date with COVID-19 vaccination. ... Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November. Age-standardized case IRRs among unvaccinated persons compared with fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose declined from 13.9 during October–November to 4.9 during December, representing potential decreases in crude VE for infection from 93% to 80%, respectively. Comparing unvaccinated persons with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, age-standardized case IRRs during October–November and December were 4.0 and 2.8 respectively, representing decreases in VE from 75% to 64%. During October–November, age-standardized IRRs for deaths among unvaccinated persons were 53.2 compared with those in fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose and 12.7 compared with persons without a booster dose; these results represented crude VE against death of 98% and 92%, respectively. Protection improved among persons who received a booster dose compared with not receiving a booster, regardless of primary series vaccine product type. Booster doses provided the largest gains in protection among persons aged ≥65 years followed by persons aged 50–64 years when compared with those aged 18–49 years. <https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm> Your specific claims are of course complete bullshit.

barryrandall 3y ago

~2% of those infected were predicted to not survive COVID infection. It's weird that it did pan out that way.