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Now imagine Spotify using this to generate individual earworms for everybody based on their personal tastes (likes, playlists). Yes, AI is partly hype, but had

Now imagine Spotify using this to generate individual earworms for everybody based on their personal tastes (likes, playlists). Yes, AI is partly hype, but had someone told me this even two years ago, I wouldn't have believed it.

joshspankit 3y ago
This is why it’s vital that AI is openly available. Imagine a world where Spotify is the only company that can do that, and they use it to make sure they never pay royalties again.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  How is Spotify for finding new music based on your tastes? I’ve only used Amazon and Pandora; Amazon is quite poor, Pandora is pretty good. I suspect (although, without proof) that if a service can’t suggest new music, it will have trouble generating new music as well. Anyway, I very much would rather run this sort of thing locally. You could just manually set your taste profile. Plus, music can be quite personal, imagine you start listening to too much music inspired by The Cure and suddenly Amazon starts advertising black makeup and antidepressants or something like that, it would be too disconcerting.
  - magicalhippo 3y ago
    > How is Spotify for finding new music based on your tastes? I haven't tried any alternatives really, but so far for me I'd say decent. I put on an album, and once over it'll play similarish stuff. If I don't like a song I'll skip it and it seems to incorporate that feedback. Only thing is that it doesn't seem to be too adventurous and it adheres rather strictly to the local context. Meaning, if I played a stoner rock track, it'll continue suggesting stoner rock and not much else, even though I have quite varied music favorited in my library. Overall though I've found a lot of new bands I enjoy that way so, positive experience for me. edit: as an example, here are the two most recent ones it suggested where I ended up buying the albums on Bandcamp. Both have quite few monthly listeners (1-2k), so not what I'd call mainstream. SUIR https://open.spotify.com/artist/6zOeQ2hyNfqi9UMHtyTSlF https://open.spotify.com/artist/6zOeQ2hyNfqi9UMHtyTSlF Mount Hush https://open.spotify.com/artist/13clfeXxTPsDsqzSlLIBZJ https://open.spotify.com/artist/13clfeXxTPsDsqzSlLIBZJ
    - seanw444 3y ago
      I'll +1. I'm generally a FOSS guy, so if Spotify hadn't helped so much in discovering new music that I really enjoy, I'd be potentially acquiring music via questionable means and just playing them as audio files directly. There are two companies that have done well by Gabe Newell's "piracy is a service problem - not a price problem" position: Valve/Steam (who also contribute to FOSS through Proton and SteamOS which I heavily appreciate), and Spotify. Spotify makes discovering and aggregating music so easy that the alternatives don't seem appealing.
  - K5EiS 3y ago
    I find the discover weekly playlists that are made for me are pretty hit or miss, overall I have found many news songs I like with their help.
    - chankstein38 3y ago
      Same! New songs, new artists, new genres, it's pretty cool! I agree it can be hit or miss but it feels like the longer I use it and the older, and more mature the platform gets, the more hit discover weekly ends up being!
    - viraptor 3y ago
      Similar - I found many good new things. I like the discovery playlists, even with the tracks I don't like. If they never missed, how could they ever suggest something actually different and exciting? It's "discover" not "average of what you already like".
  - riskable 3y ago
    I've tried Amazon and Pandora. Spotify is so vastly superior at finding music I like it's in an entirely different league. Having said that, starting about a year ago (maybe ~1.5 years?) Spotify started inserting obviously paid promotion tracks into my auto-generated "Daily Mix n" playlists and it seriously bothered me. When my playlists are made up of very specific genres of EDM and suddenly a pop song plays from a famous person I get seriously angry. It hasn't happened in many months though so maybe they learned their lesson. I was so mad I seriously considered ending my Premium subscription right then and there when that track played.
  - chankstein38 3y ago
    Similarly to others, I haven't really used other things in a LONG time but Spotify's Discover Weekly playlist is usually a list of bops that I enjoy a lot. I frequently end up adding a huge portion of them to my liked songs and to regularly used playlists!
hospitalJail 3y ago
I really want this. I have a band that I like, and I want more! Or I'd like to take a song I like, and make it educational, like make it include the period table of elements.
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liotier 3y ago
Machine-generated music might be functionally equivalent to human-generated music, but that ignores the cultural role of art as a shared human experience - witness the liturgy of live music. That can't happen with music tailored to each listener, it can't happen without tracks that are fixed in time and can be referred to. I can imagine it well-accepted for dynamic music such as gaming soundtracks, but I suppose that machine generation will be mostly a production technique resulting in branded pieces.
- jimmygrapes 3y ago
  I know quite a few technically talented musicians who have next to no creativity in actually writing the music (aside from jazz style improv sessions). Most of them never really play live unless it's part of a similarly uncreative band of college friends. I wonder if having a catchy/complex AI generated song created for them to play live might be interesting to them. Gonna check in and see what they think.
- broast 3y ago
  > such as gaming soundtracks These days I also feel like my workout playlists might as well be randomly generated dance music.
- Jeff_Brown 3y ago
  Saying that's impossible makes me immediately wonder whether it's not. There are already headphone dance parties. What if a musical act's output was being interpreted through genre lenses specific to each listener?
ragazzina 3y ago
Spotify does not need to generate a tailored earworm for me. It could already suggest songs that I like based on my personal taste out of their 100-million-songs catalog - and it's absolutely unable to do it.
- zachthewf 3y ago
  Building a tailored earworm might actually be easier.

joshspankit 3y ago

This is why it’s vital that AI is openly available. Imagine a world where Spotify is the only company that can do that, and they use it to make sure they never pay royalties again.

bee_rider 3y ago
How is Spotify for finding new music based on your tastes? I’ve only used Amazon and Pandora; Amazon is quite poor, Pandora is pretty good. I suspect (although, without proof) that if a service can’t suggest new music, it will have trouble generating new music as well. Anyway, I very much would rather run this sort of thing locally. You could just manually set your taste profile. Plus, music can be quite personal, imagine you start listening to too much music inspired by The Cure and suddenly Amazon starts advertising black makeup and antidepressants or something like that, it would be too disconcerting.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  > How is Spotify for finding new music based on your tastes? I haven't tried any alternatives really, but so far for me I'd say decent. I put on an album, and once over it'll play similarish stuff. If I don't like a song I'll skip it and it seems to incorporate that feedback. Only thing is that it doesn't seem to be too adventurous and it adheres rather strictly to the local context. Meaning, if I played a stoner rock track, it'll continue suggesting stoner rock and not much else, even though I have quite varied music favorited in my library. Overall though I've found a lot of new bands I enjoy that way so, positive experience for me. edit: as an example, here are the two most recent ones it suggested where I ended up buying the albums on Bandcamp. Both have quite few monthly listeners (1-2k), so not what I'd call mainstream. SUIR https://open.spotify.com/artist/6zOeQ2hyNfqi9UMHtyTSlF https://open.spotify.com/artist/6zOeQ2hyNfqi9UMHtyTSlF Mount Hush https://open.spotify.com/artist/13clfeXxTPsDsqzSlLIBZJ https://open.spotify.com/artist/13clfeXxTPsDsqzSlLIBZJ
  - seanw444 3y ago
    I'll +1. I'm generally a FOSS guy, so if Spotify hadn't helped so much in discovering new music that I really enjoy, I'd be potentially acquiring music via questionable means and just playing them as audio files directly. There are two companies that have done well by Gabe Newell's "piracy is a service problem - not a price problem" position: Valve/Steam (who also contribute to FOSS through Proton and SteamOS which I heavily appreciate), and Spotify. Spotify makes discovering and aggregating music so easy that the alternatives don't seem appealing.
- K5EiS 3y ago
  I find the discover weekly playlists that are made for me are pretty hit or miss, overall I have found many news songs I like with their help.
  - chankstein38 3y ago
    Same! New songs, new artists, new genres, it's pretty cool! I agree it can be hit or miss but it feels like the longer I use it and the older, and more mature the platform gets, the more hit discover weekly ends up being!
  - viraptor 3y ago
    Similar - I found many good new things. I like the discovery playlists, even with the tracks I don't like. If they never missed, how could they ever suggest something actually different and exciting? It's "discover" not "average of what you already like".
- riskable 3y ago
  I've tried Amazon and Pandora. Spotify is so vastly superior at finding music I like it's in an entirely different league. Having said that, starting about a year ago (maybe ~1.5 years?) Spotify started inserting obviously paid promotion tracks into my auto-generated "Daily Mix n" playlists and it seriously bothered me. When my playlists are made up of very specific genres of EDM and suddenly a pop song plays from a famous person I get seriously angry. It hasn't happened in many months though so maybe they learned their lesson. I was so mad I seriously considered ending my Premium subscription right then and there when that track played.
- chankstein38 3y ago
  Similarly to others, I haven't really used other things in a LONG time but Spotify's Discover Weekly playlist is usually a list of bops that I enjoy a lot. I frequently end up adding a huge portion of them to my liked songs and to regularly used playlists!

hospitalJail 3y ago

I really want this. I have a band that I like, and I want more! Or I'd like to take a song I like, and make it educational, like make it include the period table of elements.

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liotier 3y ago

Machine-generated music might be functionally equivalent to human-generated music, but that ignores the cultural role of art as a shared human experience - witness the liturgy of live music. That can't happen with music tailored to each listener, it can't happen without tracks that are fixed in time and can be referred to. I can imagine it well-accepted for dynamic music such as gaming soundtracks, but I suppose that machine generation will be mostly a production technique resulting in branded pieces.

jimmygrapes 3y ago
I know quite a few technically talented musicians who have next to no creativity in actually writing the music (aside from jazz style improv sessions). Most of them never really play live unless it's part of a similarly uncreative band of college friends. I wonder if having a catchy/complex AI generated song created for them to play live might be interesting to them. Gonna check in and see what they think.
broast 3y ago
> such as gaming soundtracks These days I also feel like my workout playlists might as well be randomly generated dance music.
Jeff_Brown 3y ago
Saying that's impossible makes me immediately wonder whether it's not. There are already headphone dance parties. What if a musical act's output was being interpreted through genre lenses specific to each listener?

ragazzina 3y ago

Spotify does not need to generate a tailored earworm for me. It could already suggest songs that I like based on my personal taste out of their 100-million-songs catalog - and it's absolutely unable to do it.

zachthewf 3y ago
Building a tailored earworm might actually be easier.