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>If I contemplate some criminal act, various unpleasant potential consequences may occur to me, and I may decide against that act "for fear" that those conseque

>If I contemplate some criminal act, various unpleasant potential consequences may occur to me, and I may decide against that act "for fear" that those consequences should come to pass. Isn't the scenario here that if I have a member of my family that commits a particular crime then I have to fear the consequence? Thus I should fear having children, stupid siblings, or parents who go off the deep end (probably children, but theoretically could have other familial relationships be in the graph of punishment)

stef25 3y ago
At my kids' school we were reminded of the fact that if they don't attend school for x days without a doctor's note, several times that it can impact the amount of child support from the govt. No idea that existed but always thought it would be a good means to make sure kids go to school instead of just hanging around being a nuisance during school hours. When mom & dad can feel it in their bank account they'll make damn sure the kid goes to school.
- watwut 3y ago
  You as a parent is responsible for minor kid going to school. And you have control over it too. This is literally punishing the person who failed to do his job - the parent.
aragonite 3y ago
If we are imagining not just a society in which (1) people are punished for the crimes committed by their family members, but more specifically (2) a tyrannical society which criminalizes acts (blasphemy, lese-majesty, etc) most of us don't regard as morally wrong, so that even children can commit crimes through stupidity/thoughtlessness, then I agree most people would live in (genuine, suffering-inducing) fear that one of their family members might commit a crime. But IMO the fear in that case comes not so much from the mechanism of family punishment as it does from the tyrannical nature of the society itself (one would equally fear oneself accidentally committing lese-majesty by a slip of tongue, for example).
dotancohen 3y ago
> Isn't the scenario here that if I have a member of my family that commits a particular crime then I have to fear the consequence? > Thus I should fear having children, stupid siblings, or parents who go off the deep end Interestingly, the culture that I am familiar with that has family punishment (see my other post in this thread) is also a culture that encourages many children. I could see how such things go hand in hand, for instance it puts a heavy burden on the family to ensure that they raise their children to respect society.

stef25 3y ago

At my kids' school we were reminded of the fact that if they don't attend school for x days without a doctor's note, several times that it can impact the amount of child support from the govt. No idea that existed but always thought it would be a good means to make sure kids go to school instead of just hanging around being a nuisance during school hours. When mom & dad can feel it in their bank account they'll make damn sure the kid goes to school.

watwut 3y ago
You as a parent is responsible for minor kid going to school. And you have control over it too. This is literally punishing the person who failed to do his job - the parent.

aragonite 3y ago

If we are imagining not just a society in which (1) people are punished for the crimes committed by their family members, but more specifically (2) a tyrannical society which criminalizes acts (blasphemy, lese-majesty, etc) most of us don't regard as morally wrong, so that even children can commit crimes through stupidity/thoughtlessness, then I agree most people would live in (genuine, suffering-inducing) fear that one of their family members might commit a crime. But IMO the fear in that case comes not so much from the mechanism of family punishment as it does from the tyrannical nature of the society itself (one would equally fear oneself accidentally committing lese-majesty by a slip of tongue, for example).

dotancohen 3y ago

> Isn't the scenario here that if I have a member of my family that commits a particular crime then I have to fear the consequence? > Thus I should fear having children, stupid siblings, or parents who go off the deep end Interestingly, the culture that I am familiar with that has family punishment (see my other post in this thread) is also a culture that encourages many children. I could see how such things go hand in hand, for instance it puts a heavy burden on the family to ensure that they raise their children to respect society.