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Innovation and standards/large companies tend to be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Hence the need for startups! I hope that you're correct however.

Timon3 3y ago
As far as I can see, both the USB standard and the standardization of charging plugs have been a massive success. Do you remember back when literally every phone had a different charger and plug? I don't see how that was good for the consumer, for innovation, or society at large. Even while Apple could have innovated, did they? I'd say that their insistence on Lightning has been a massive drain on society and purely rent-seeking behaviour. Startups and large companies can still innovate, they just can't screw over their customers while doing so. Seems like a pretty good deal for all sides to me.
- oaiey 3y ago
  Especially USB standardization is a gigantic company consortia which as a group (under leadership of few chip vendors) innovate. Real innovate.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
    - oaiey 3y ago
      That Innovation by big cooperations can work.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        Ah, gotcha! Absolutely, as we've seen with USB-C.
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    > It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. Show me a standard with this many features without these problems. > But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Yes, I can charge all my devices with one cable. Isn't that amazing? > Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard. Weird, doesn't work with my current phone. I guess it's not a phone then?
    - tinus_hn 3y ago
      What’s the model? I’ll be calling the EU so they force all the manufacturers to support the qi charging standard that is actually useful. Oh and of course lightning cable is the spawn of evil and glorious USB-C can do no wrong and any concrete criticism is hand waved away. Really shows you know what you’re talking about.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        > What’s the model? I’ll be calling the EU so they force all the manufacturers to support the qi charging standard that is actually useful. You know that USB-C isn't just charging, but also data transfer, right? I'd be up for this if wireless charging also supported USB-C speed data transfer. Since it doesn't I'm not interested. > Oh and of course lightning cable is the spawn of evil and glorious USB-C can do no wrong and any concrete criticism is hand waved away. Really shows you know what you’re talking about. I dislike non-standards, and I like standards. Why are you trying to paint my criticisms as so incredibly emotionally laden, when they are simply based on technical disadvantages? Is it so hard for you to accept that, for most people, this is a very good step?

Timon3 3y ago

As far as I can see, both the USB standard and the standardization of charging plugs have been a massive success. Do you remember back when literally every phone had a different charger and plug? I don't see how that was good for the consumer, for innovation, or society at large. Even while Apple could have innovated, did they? I'd say that their insistence on Lightning has been a massive drain on society and purely rent-seeking behaviour. Startups and large companies can still innovate, they just can't screw over their customers while doing so. Seems like a pretty good deal for all sides to me.

oaiey 3y ago
Especially USB standardization is a gigantic company consortia which as a group (under leadership of few chip vendors) innovate. Real innovate.
- Timon3 3y ago
  I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
  - oaiey 3y ago
    That Innovation by big cooperations can work.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      Ah, gotcha! Absolutely, as we've seen with USB-C.
tinus_hn 3y ago
It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard.
- Timon3 3y ago
  > It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. Show me a standard with this many features without these problems. > But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Yes, I can charge all my devices with one cable. Isn't that amazing? > Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard. Weird, doesn't work with my current phone. I guess it's not a phone then?
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    What’s the model? I’ll be calling the EU so they force all the manufacturers to support the qi charging standard that is actually useful. Oh and of course lightning cable is the spawn of evil and glorious USB-C can do no wrong and any concrete criticism is hand waved away. Really shows you know what you’re talking about.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      > What’s the model? I’ll be calling the EU so they force all the manufacturers to support the qi charging standard that is actually useful. You know that USB-C isn't just charging, but also data transfer, right? I'd be up for this if wireless charging also supported USB-C speed data transfer. Since it doesn't I'm not interested. > Oh and of course lightning cable is the spawn of evil and glorious USB-C can do no wrong and any concrete criticism is hand waved away. Really shows you know what you’re talking about. I dislike non-standards, and I like standards. Why are you trying to paint my criticisms as so incredibly emotionally laden, when they are simply based on technical disadvantages? Is it so hard for you to accept that, for most people, this is a very good step?