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You are mistaken, the industry is free to innovate and decide on a better standard together. USB-C isn't written into the legislation.

by Timon3 3y ago

eknkc 3y ago
Are you sure about this? It it is not explicitly written somewhere it is not mandatory to use USB-C. There has to be some documents stating the exact name USB-C or the designated standard codes etc. how can this be enforced otherwise? And how the heck will the industry innovate if one or two companies can not shift to a new connector and prove it?
- deleted 3y ago
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- Timon3 3y ago
  > Are you sure about this? It it is not explicitly written somewhere it is not mandatory to use USB-C. There has to be some documents stating the exact name USB-C or the designated standard codes etc. how can this be enforced otherwise? Why don't you just look up the law yourself if you don't believe me? This has been discussed to death. > And how the heck will the industry innovate if one or two companies can not shift to a new connector and prove it? How did the switch from Micro-USB to USB-C happen? Simple, the industry standardized on it. You can add as many connectors as you want, as long as you have the standard connector as well.
throwawaythekey 3y ago
Innovation and standards/large companies tend to be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Hence the need for startups! I hope that you're correct however.
- Timon3 3y ago
  As far as I can see, both the USB standard and the standardization of charging plugs have been a massive success. Do you remember back when literally every phone had a different charger and plug? I don't see how that was good for the consumer, for innovation, or society at large. Even while Apple could have innovated, did they? I'd say that their insistence on Lightning has been a massive drain on society and purely rent-seeking behaviour. Startups and large companies can still innovate, they just can't screw over their customers while doing so. Seems like a pretty good deal for all sides to me.
  - oaiey 3y ago
    Especially USB standardization is a gigantic company consortia which as a group (under leadership of few chip vendors) innovate. Real innovate.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
      - oaiey 3y ago
        That Innovation by big cooperations can work.
        Timon3 3y ago
        Ah, gotcha! Absolutely, as we've seen with USB-C.
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard.
    - Timon3 3y ago
      > It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. Show me a standard with this many features without these problems. > But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Yes, I can charge all my devices with one cable. Isn't that amazing? > Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard. Weird, doesn't work with my current phone. I guess it's not a phone then?

You are mistaken, the industry is free to innovate and decide on a better standard together. USB-C isn't written into the legislation.

by Timon3 3y ago

You are mistaken, the industry is free to innovate and decide on a better standard together. USB-C isn't written into the legislation.

eknkc 3y ago

Are you sure about this? It it is not explicitly written somewhere it is not mandatory to use USB-C. There has to be some documents stating the exact name USB-C or the designated standard codes etc. how can this be enforced otherwise? And how the heck will the industry innovate if one or two companies can not shift to a new connector and prove it?

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Timon3 3y ago
> Are you sure about this? It it is not explicitly written somewhere it is not mandatory to use USB-C. There has to be some documents stating the exact name USB-C or the designated standard codes etc. how can this be enforced otherwise? Why don't you just look up the law yourself if you don't believe me? This has been discussed to death. > And how the heck will the industry innovate if one or two companies can not shift to a new connector and prove it? How did the switch from Micro-USB to USB-C happen? Simple, the industry standardized on it. You can add as many connectors as you want, as long as you have the standard connector as well.

throwawaythekey 3y ago

Innovation and standards/large companies tend to be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Hence the need for startups! I hope that you're correct however.

Timon3 3y ago
As far as I can see, both the USB standard and the standardization of charging plugs have been a massive success. Do you remember back when literally every phone had a different charger and plug? I don't see how that was good for the consumer, for innovation, or society at large. Even while Apple could have innovated, did they? I'd say that their insistence on Lightning has been a massive drain on society and purely rent-seeking behaviour. Startups and large companies can still innovate, they just can't screw over their customers while doing so. Seems like a pretty good deal for all sides to me.
- oaiey 3y ago
  Especially USB standardization is a gigantic company consortia which as a group (under leadership of few chip vendors) innovate. Real innovate.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
    - oaiey 3y ago
      That Innovation by big cooperations can work.
      - Timon3 3y ago
        Ah, gotcha! Absolutely, as we've seen with USB-C.
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    > It all looks really nice, until you start wading through the dredge of fast charging, thunderbolt, displaylink over USB-c and whatever they’ll add in the future. Show me a standard with this many features without these problems. > But hey, you can basically charge over the same connector. Yes, I can charge all my devices with one cable. Isn't that amazing? > Which was however already possible because all phones support the same wireless charging standard. Weird, doesn't work with my current phone. I guess it's not a phone then?