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> What kind of feature do you to be excited to see in a product that is 16 years old? The ability for it to replace a macbook air if you add a keyboard/mouse/s

> What kind of feature do you to be excited to see in a product that is 16 years old? The ability for it to replace a macbook air if you add a keyboard/mouse/screen for one. How about a 3d camera for integration with vision pro? There's still so much they can do. Even the previous iPhone had lots of great actual new features. Always-on OLED display. Action Camera mode. Auto focus capable front-facing camera. Dynamic island. 2000 nit brightness capable screen. Satellite SoS. Car crash detection.

lostlogin 3y ago
This isn’t a change in pace though is it? The iPhone has had a tick tock cadence forever.
kalleboo 3y ago
> How about a 3d camera for integration with vision pro https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870546/iphone-15-pro-max-film-spatial-video-vision-pro https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870546/iphone-15-pro-ma...
- andy_ppp 3y ago
  How can this not be rubbish? Your eyes are on average 6.3cm apart and these cameras on your phone appear to be about 1.5cm… I don’t believe software can bridge that gap so I suspect it’ll look very strange when viewed in 3D…
  - hunter2_ 3y ago
    Once every object in the frame is mapped to 3D coordinates, exaggerating the parallax is trivial (like rendering a video game for 3D glasses / VR), but to your point, figuring out what was behind those objects (to fill in the negative space that remains after translation) is a guessing game, equivalent to various smart fill / magic eraser features. Originally they used only context from the same photo, and nowadays they also use generative AI. Not always great results.
    - andy_ppp 3y ago
      Only time will tell how well it works, are there other cameras with such small distances filming 3D video?
  - twoodfin 3y ago
    Keep in mind it also has a LiDAR sensor building a point cloud at the same time.
  - dmd 3y ago
    There are some small predators with excellent binocular vision who would like a word with you.
    - andy_ppp 3y ago
      It's not about if predators have good eyes, it's much more about your brain expects to be processing depth information based on the difference between the two images (will having your eyes effectively 4cm+ closer together feel weird?). The images from each camera will clearly be different to your eyes but maybe your brain easily adapts. Others have said there are algorithms allowing all the objects in a scene to be distorted/rerendered in such a way that this can be corrected for but I am extremely skeptical of this without evidence.
  - MockObject 3y ago
    Phones are longer than 6.3cm, so put the other camera on the other end, with the added benefit of encouraging landscape-oriented images as well.
tommit 3y ago
Keep in mind that you're commenting in the thread about the iPhone 15, not the iPhone 15 Pro. With your comment you're comparing the new iPhone 15 with the features of last year's iPhone 14 Pro. The Pro features are always more extensive, just as this year's. The following year, most of those features typically trickle down to the non-Pro iPhone.
camillomiller 3y ago
Using your smartphone as your computer is one of the most “tested as a consumer failure in the market” features ever. Many have tried, all failed miserably. Convergence is cool on paper until nobody uses it because it makes no practical sense. Useful to give great tradeshow demos, and that’s it
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  This is like saying that nuclear fusion is useless, because all reactors have been a failure. Just becauae you cant get it to work well, does not mean you can blame the consumer.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  I'm not sure about the current distinction between iOS and iPadOS (Apple seems to periodically decide that these are the same things or different things depending on mood), but plug a mouse, keyboard and monitor into a modern iPad and you have... a surprisingly okay desktop for many use cases.
- hunter2_ 3y ago
  I've never been this consumer, but I imagine the hangup is that by the time you've added a keyboard and display to your backpack, you could've just added a laptop instead at a similar weight/size, and while the separate laptop means foregoing the continuity of state, you gain the ability to start your "large mode" session by merely opening a hinge, which is less friction (literally and figuratively) than docking disparate components.
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    I’m convinced phone-computer will never happen until a large holographic screen and a similar holographic keyboard.
    - axelthegerman 3y ago
      I sometimes bring my laptop "just in case" when going to a friend's place. If I could just plug in my phone to their USB C monitor that is already connected to a mouse and keyboard that'd be amazing for quickly using YOUR device. Why would anyone need this? Because I could have my ssh keys and some software on it - sure I could have a bootable USB drive and try to boot their desktop (or laptop?!) from it... but that seems more involved than being able to converge your phone. It's just that nobody nailed the software side of it. Apple could but they just don't care. Linux tried and they will keep trying
nottorp 3y ago
> The ability for it to replace a macbook air if you add a keyboard/mouse/screen for one. Whats the point? It wont be cheaper if you want usable input and screens. It will Take more space than a laptop wherever you decide to use it. How do you use even an iPad + keyboard Combo if all you have is a chair?
- deleted 3y ago
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itsoktocry 3y ago
>The ability for it to replace a macbook air if you add a keyboard/mouse/screen for one. I fail to see how this is in any way an improvement over just buying a MacBook Air and having the screen, mouse and keyboard built in. Thew laptop is way more portable.
bdamm 3y ago
They introduced LIDAR into the iPhone Pro 12 and every Pro since has had it. So if you want that 3D camera (which works great, btw) you gotta spring for the Pro.

lostlogin 3y ago

This isn’t a change in pace though is it? The iPhone has had a tick tock cadence forever.

kalleboo 3y ago

> How about a 3d camera for integration with vision pro https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870546/iphone-15-pro-max-film-spatial-video-vision-pro https://www.theverge.com/2023/9/12/23870546/iphone-15-pro-ma...

andy_ppp 3y ago
How can this not be rubbish? Your eyes are on average 6.3cm apart and these cameras on your phone appear to be about 1.5cm… I don’t believe software can bridge that gap so I suspect it’ll look very strange when viewed in 3D…
- hunter2_ 3y ago
  Once every object in the frame is mapped to 3D coordinates, exaggerating the parallax is trivial (like rendering a video game for 3D glasses / VR), but to your point, figuring out what was behind those objects (to fill in the negative space that remains after translation) is a guessing game, equivalent to various smart fill / magic eraser features. Originally they used only context from the same photo, and nowadays they also use generative AI. Not always great results.
  - andy_ppp 3y ago
    Only time will tell how well it works, are there other cameras with such small distances filming 3D video?
- twoodfin 3y ago
  Keep in mind it also has a LiDAR sensor building a point cloud at the same time.
- dmd 3y ago
  There are some small predators with excellent binocular vision who would like a word with you.
  - andy_ppp 3y ago
    It's not about if predators have good eyes, it's much more about your brain expects to be processing depth information based on the difference between the two images (will having your eyes effectively 4cm+ closer together feel weird?). The images from each camera will clearly be different to your eyes but maybe your brain easily adapts. Others have said there are algorithms allowing all the objects in a scene to be distorted/rerendered in such a way that this can be corrected for but I am extremely skeptical of this without evidence.
- MockObject 3y ago
  Phones are longer than 6.3cm, so put the other camera on the other end, with the added benefit of encouraging landscape-oriented images as well.

tommit 3y ago

Keep in mind that you're commenting in the thread about the iPhone 15, not the iPhone 15 Pro. With your comment you're comparing the new iPhone 15 with the features of last year's iPhone 14 Pro. The Pro features are always more extensive, just as this year's. The following year, most of those features typically trickle down to the non-Pro iPhone.

camillomiller 3y ago

Using your smartphone as your computer is one of the most “tested as a consumer failure in the market” features ever. Many have tried, all failed miserably. Convergence is cool on paper until nobody uses it because it makes no practical sense. Useful to give great tradeshow demos, and that’s it

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
This is like saying that nuclear fusion is useless, because all reactors have been a failure. Just becauae you cant get it to work well, does not mean you can blame the consumer.
rsynnott 3y ago
I'm not sure about the current distinction between iOS and iPadOS (Apple seems to periodically decide that these are the same things or different things depending on mood), but plug a mouse, keyboard and monitor into a modern iPad and you have... a surprisingly okay desktop for many use cases.
hunter2_ 3y ago
I've never been this consumer, but I imagine the hangup is that by the time you've added a keyboard and display to your backpack, you could've just added a laptop instead at a similar weight/size, and while the separate laptop means foregoing the continuity of state, you gain the ability to start your "large mode" session by merely opening a hinge, which is less friction (literally and figuratively) than docking disparate components.
- Aerbil313 3y ago
  I’m convinced phone-computer will never happen until a large holographic screen and a similar holographic keyboard.
  - axelthegerman 3y ago
    I sometimes bring my laptop "just in case" when going to a friend's place. If I could just plug in my phone to their USB C monitor that is already connected to a mouse and keyboard that'd be amazing for quickly using YOUR device. Why would anyone need this? Because I could have my ssh keys and some software on it - sure I could have a bootable USB drive and try to boot their desktop (or laptop?!) from it... but that seems more involved than being able to converge your phone. It's just that nobody nailed the software side of it. Apple could but they just don't care. Linux tried and they will keep trying

nottorp 3y ago

> The ability for it to replace a macbook air if you add a keyboard/mouse/screen for one. Whats the point? It wont be cheaper if you want usable input and screens. It will Take more space than a laptop wherever you decide to use it. How do you use even an iPad + keyboard Combo if all you have is a chair?

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itsoktocry 3y ago

>The ability for it to replace a macbook air if you add a keyboard/mouse/screen for one. I fail to see how this is in any way an improvement over just buying a MacBook Air and having the screen, mouse and keyboard built in. Thew laptop is way more portable.

bdamm 3y ago

They introduced LIDAR into the iPhone Pro 12 and every Pro since has had it. So if you want that 3D camera (which works great, btw) you gotta spring for the Pro.