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One way to look at is that the more people who can figure out how to make money in a crisis without adding to said crisis, the less severe the crisis becomes. I
by dchftcs 3y ago
One way to look at is that the more people who can figure out how to make money in a crisis without adding to said crisis, the less severe the crisis becomes. If someone can price distressed corporate bonds better, they will bid higher, and bagholders of companies that actually have decent prospects (but are hurt by market anomalies in crisis situations) can then lose less money, compared to the alternative.
As an analogy, imagine that your home is wrecked in a hurricane, but a scraps dealer is able to offer money for what's left. If there's only one scraps dealer around, they will absolutely rip you off and pay you just enough that you'd be livid and kicking but still aren't motivated to find a way to sell the scraps yourself. But if there are two scraps dealers competing for the wreckage, it'd be easier for you to get a market deal.
Scraps dealers improve their profitability by finding better ways to sell the scraps, so in a competitive environment, you could indirectly benefit from their experience. You make them sound like terrible people by saying they "make money off a disaster", but objectively their existence is a net benefit to the situation. One thing that can make this argument break down is that scraps companies
may rely a lot on information asymmetry and price gouging, but that is actually less of problem for financial transactions that can be systematically electronified, where there's a lot of regulation and said regulation is more easily enforced.
Making markets efficient is a very abstract concept that people makes people feel disconnected from the benefits. But in this abstract way, it does contribute to the economy.
Not enough smart people thinking like Jane Street (or any large trading company with a track record of managing risk), but still performing financial activities, is arguably what causes financial crises to begin with. Think people buying into schemes based on returns that are too good to be true, bundling bad mortgages without modeling it properly, or banks not taking clients' money seriously.
- bob_theslob646 3y ago"To be clear, I do think finance & law are important, but too many smart people in the US go into those fields. Also, too many MBAs." - Elon Musk
- dchftcs 3y agoHe can lead by treating his technology employees better...
- jkestner 3y agoAdmittedly, the only thing I know about Jane Street is that the FTX sociopaths cut their teeth there, but I'm sure the rest of them are great. You're right that market bending is too abstract for most of us to appreciate the benefits, but markets abstract away the humans, too. I don't pretend that the industry ever knows when to stop making markets efficient and ask for regulation because they're making paperclips out of all of our savings. Whatever benefit they produce should be a tool wielded by boring technocrats.
- nxobject 3y agoI agree with your example – and I believe that a lot of people's concerns are due to the fact that the way market dynamism leads to individual resilience and recovery, still necessarily involves individual instability and insecurity with root structural causes that are worth addressing. As a contrived example: why is there a competitive market for efficient heat pumps, and a role for a "market lubricator" to profit like a logistics behemoth like Amazon, in formerly temperate climates? Climate instability and its human consequences. The good and the bad co-exist, and I'm not going to speculate any more than that.
- dchftcs 3y agoI also agree it's kind of sad that the best minds are trying to squeeze 1bps of extra profit out of ETF trades or worse, trying to figure out why an option is implying SP500 should be trading half tenth of a cent higher. And I believe it's a deep structural issue with the misalignment of incentives of society, where individuals are not to be blamed but everyone is complicit.