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I don't understand your logic. >Right morality maps itself to reality... buuuut man believing irrational things is also 'one such' reality. These statements e

I don't understand your logic. >Right morality maps itself to reality... buuuut man believing irrational things is also 'one such' reality. These statements either contradict, or open up too many possibilities. If irrational man is one reality, then what's the real reality, the second, true reality? If you're going to sacrifice giving belief 'a pass', then it's really hard to draw a firm dividing line on whom-gets-a-pass and whom doesn't. I'd always lean towards giving irrational people mercy. Tying mercy solely to rationality and logic can become too reductive for humans to lead good lives. And who defines what reality is? Sam Harris? Sabine Hossenfelder? Steve from Accounting?

thghtihadanacct 3y ago
I would lean on getting irrational people out of harming other peoples way. Its all cakes and cookies (from steve in accounting) until it aint
kajaktum 3y ago
>Right morality maps itself to reality... buuuut man believing irrational things is also 'one such' reality How so? The fact that man believes in irrational things is a reality...How is that controversial? It is real that most of my family actually believes in a physical hell. Yes, in their mind, they actually believe that a fiery hall of flame actually exists somewhere and people will suffer in eternity, for ever and ever and ever and ever, with increasingly harsher suffering until...well, there's no until, it just goes on and on. What modern western people refuses to accept is that people actually do believe this things. Its not just a coping mechanism for retribution or something crap like that. When people tell you, "we believe in X because Y says so". They actually do believe in that. They think that there's an actual Y that comes down to Earth and wrote those Xs. And the fact that apes are prone to believe such a thing is also a reality. That is not to say that what they believe is real, just that their tendency is real. And this kind of belief have consequence. If they actually think that Y wrote down those Xs, and given that Y is omnipotent, well surely Xs is some divine scripture that we must follow? A universe in which the scripture says that one should enter a house with the left foot vs the right foot is an entirely difference universe. If such benign belief could yield so much difference, why wouldn't everything else? Saying that, I can completely willing to accept that human (or apes) need to have _some_ belief. That evolution have crafted us to rely on some belief that is believed at some societal level to operate and function. I am willing to accept that yet that doesn't mean that any of the beliefs are right. >And who defines what reality is? Sam Harris? Sabine Hossenfelder? Steve from Accounting? No one, reality is just whatever is.
- barrysteve 3y ago
  Oh you're describing an experience and calling it reality....zzzz... I get why your logic is so muddled. Good luck!
  - kajaktum 3y ago
    Wait a minute...do you think that your feelings, emotions and thoughts are not reality because they are an experience? What is real to you then? Atoms? Your "intuition" about physics or everything else is an experience too. Experience is all you have.

thghtihadanacct 3y ago

I would lean on getting irrational people out of harming other peoples way. Its all cakes and cookies (from steve in accounting) until it aint

kajaktum 3y ago

>Right morality maps itself to reality... buuuut man believing irrational things is also 'one such' reality How so? The fact that man believes in irrational things is a reality...How is that controversial? It is real that most of my family actually believes in a physical hell. Yes, in their mind, they actually believe that a fiery hall of flame actually exists somewhere and people will suffer in eternity, for ever and ever and ever and ever, with increasingly harsher suffering until...well, there's no until, it just goes on and on. What modern western people refuses to accept is that people actually do believe this things. Its not just a coping mechanism for retribution or something crap like that. When people tell you, "we believe in X because Y says so". They actually do believe in that. They think that there's an actual Y that comes down to Earth and wrote those Xs. And the fact that apes are prone to believe such a thing is also a reality. That is not to say that what they believe is real, just that their tendency is real. And this kind of belief have consequence. If they actually think that Y wrote down those Xs, and given that Y is omnipotent, well surely Xs is some divine scripture that we must follow? A universe in which the scripture says that one should enter a house with the left foot vs the right foot is an entirely difference universe. If such benign belief could yield so much difference, why wouldn't everything else? Saying that, I can completely willing to accept that human (or apes) need to have _some_ belief. That evolution have crafted us to rely on some belief that is believed at some societal level to operate and function. I am willing to accept that yet that doesn't mean that any of the beliefs are right. >And who defines what reality is? Sam Harris? Sabine Hossenfelder? Steve from Accounting? No one, reality is just whatever is.

barrysteve 3y ago
Oh you're describing an experience and calling it reality....zzzz... I get why your logic is so muddled. Good luck!
- kajaktum 3y ago
  Wait a minute...do you think that your feelings, emotions and thoughts are not reality because they are an experience? What is real to you then? Atoms? Your "intuition" about physics or everything else is an experience too. Experience is all you have.