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Some commenters are praising the USB-C port, so it's worth noting that this change is because of EU regulations. Government decision makers are often [edit: No

Some commenters are praising the USB-C port, so it's worth noting that this change is because of EU regulations. Government decision makers are often [edit: Not] qualified to make good technical decisions, but sometimes they do. Or they get lucky.

ggm 3y ago
It was a no-brainer. It should have happened years ago. I like lightning. I liked firewire too. It's always kept too long, when its a lock-in. They had to be made to. Now, lets hope no more new happens in the form factor and cable basics for a while.
- pbkrewind 3y ago
  I'm old enough to remember when USB was promoted as the end of cable madness :). The idea was that you would have one cable from your computer, and all devices would be chained. Life would be so simple. Instead we have several USB cables, plus HDMI and DP, and lightning, and probably some I've forgotten. Thankfully we lost the enormous parallel ports. Although many EU televisions still use something equally bulky.
  - ggm 3y ago
    But we have now reconverged on USB-C as a form factor which has inside it TBird and other things. I regard this as a net win, but it took too long.
- bern4444 3y ago
  Apple promised in 2012 that it would support lightning for 10 years - yes the EU helped push them to USB-C but they had a good reason for not doing so before 2022. And it kinda worked out perfectly, in the 11th year they switched, right after they had met their promise.
  - ggm 3y ago
    They made the commitment, nobody made them do it. I dont think they needed to promote a 10 year horizon, they should have cooperated more strongly in the USB=C spec and not made stupid commitments
    - bern4444 3y ago
      That response seems a bit nonsensical... yeah they made the commitment and set a date. And then they stuck to it. I'd rather a company make and honor commitments, than never commit to anything or break them whenever they feel like it. I haven't seen their comments in the spec - but they certainly aren't opposed to USB-C given Macs have been using it for years as has the iPad.
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ggm 3y ago

It was a no-brainer. It should have happened years ago. I like lightning. I liked firewire too. It's always kept too long, when its a lock-in. They had to be made to. Now, lets hope no more new happens in the form factor and cable basics for a while.

pbkrewind 3y ago
I'm old enough to remember when USB was promoted as the end of cable madness :). The idea was that you would have one cable from your computer, and all devices would be chained. Life would be so simple. Instead we have several USB cables, plus HDMI and DP, and lightning, and probably some I've forgotten. Thankfully we lost the enormous parallel ports. Although many EU televisions still use something equally bulky.
- ggm 3y ago
  But we have now reconverged on USB-C as a form factor which has inside it TBird and other things. I regard this as a net win, but it took too long.
bern4444 3y ago
Apple promised in 2012 that it would support lightning for 10 years - yes the EU helped push them to USB-C but they had a good reason for not doing so before 2022. And it kinda worked out perfectly, in the 11th year they switched, right after they had met their promise.
- ggm 3y ago
  They made the commitment, nobody made them do it. I dont think they needed to promote a 10 year horizon, they should have cooperated more strongly in the USB=C spec and not made stupid commitments
  - bern4444 3y ago
    That response seems a bit nonsensical... yeah they made the commitment and set a date. And then they stuck to it. I'd rather a company make and honor commitments, than never commit to anything or break them whenever they feel like it. I haven't seen their comments in the spec - but they certainly aren't opposed to USB-C given Macs have been using it for years as has the iPad.

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