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> 1. First Amendment rights do not apply to foreign nationals. The court ruled they don't apply to foreign nationals prior to arrival in the United States. Onc
by tssva 3y ago
> 1. First Amendment rights do not apply to foreign nationals.
The court ruled they don't apply to foreign nationals prior to arrival in the United States. Once foreign nationals are in the United States first amendment rights do apply.
- seanhunter 3y agoThis ruling is about visa applications. A visa application is something you have to do prior to arrival in the US.
- tssva 3y agoOk, and your point is?
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- esalman 3y agoSo the state can ask for social media details when the applicant is filing the visa application overseas. Disclaimer I'm (or was) a foreign national myself. I would not have rights even at the port of entry, or within 100 miles of international border.
- refurb 3y agoI would not have rights even at the port of entry, or within 100 miles of international border. No, you would once admitted to the US.
- esalman 3y agoBorder patrol can actually detain someone if they are not able to determine valid visa status due to silly reasons such as not having internet connection. I know two people who were in the situation.
- refurb 3y agoIt's the law to carry documentation of immigration status on you, if not a US citizen. https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone#are-there-limitations-to-immigration-officials-power https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone#are-there-... If an agent asks you for documents, what you need to provide differs depending on your immigration status. U.S. citizens do not have to carry proof of citizenship on their person if they are in the United States. If you have valid immigration documents and are over the age of 18, the law does require you to carry those documents on you. If you are asked by an immigration agent to produce them, it is advisable to show the documents to the agent or you risk being arrested. If you are an immigrant without documents, you can decline the officer’s request. An agent may likely ask you more questions if you decline a request. No matter what category you fall into, never provide false documents to immigration officials.
- tssva 3y agoI asked what his point was because his comment really had no relevance to my comment which he was replying to. All my comment did was clarify that the original comment regarding foreign nationals having no first amendment rights was not accurate. I could have also pointed out that he was not fully correct because visa applications are also completed within the United States. The judge in the case even agreed that there were first amendment issues regarding those completing applications within the US but in the case of immigration deference should be given to immigration requirements.
- esalman 3y agoTechnically you are right. But only technically. Like I mentioned, you do not have rights until you have cleared immigration at the port of entry within the US, regardless of visa status. Also, 9/11 anniversary was couple of days ago, and we all know how the rights of so many Muslims lawfully living in the US were thrown out of the window merely 20 years ago.
- tssva 3y agoNow I'm just going to assume you are trolling.
- kyawzazaw 3y agothe OG bulletpoint was not accurately written though. I know we are provided context through this thread but it could have been much accurately written while still being concise.
- paulddraper 3y agoYou are correct. And application for visa falls into that category.