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Its not a sports car. Besides, BMW M4 CSL, Jaguar XE project 8, BMW M3, Mercedes AMG 63 GT have faster lap times.

by timc3 3y ago

AtlasBarfed 3y ago
Fine. At the time when it ran that time it was the fastest, and faster than practically every sports car ever made. The nurburgring is about the most sports car track ever made. I don't really know how to measure anything about a car's sportiness other than its speed around the track generally agreed to be the most "Gran Turismo" style. If you want your own personal gatekeeping standards for "true sports car", whatever. When batteries double in density in the next ten years, your gatekeeping will look even more ridiculous. The ICE drivetrain is a zombie at this point that is surviving on inertia and the incompetence of legacy automakers.
- wherefour 3y ago
  > Fine. At the time when it ran that time it was the fastest, See here: https://www.hotcars.com/fastest-sedans-around-the-nurburgring/#2019-mercedes-amg-gt-63-s---7-25-41 https://www.hotcars.com/fastest-sedans-around-the-nurburgrin... And join with the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Lap_times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords... All five sedans that beat the Model S around the Nürburgring drove their laps earlier. The Plaid has only ever been the sixth fastest sedan around the 'ring. Which is excellent, but not what you said. >and faster than practically every sports car ever made. It isn't. It loses even to the 2012 Nissan GT-R or 2007 911 GT2. It loses to any of the faster 911s by nearly a minute. It is faster than some sports cars, but not recent sports cars at a similar price. How is it that the Plaid, despite being one of the fastest cars on the road in a straight line, loses quite badly to cars with half the power? Because there is much more to performance than just acceleration. The cars you disparage are dramatically better in the corners than the Plaid. >The nurburgring is about the most sports car track ever made. I don't quite know what this means, but I don't think it's true. The use of the 'ring as a benchmark is often criticized because it rewards power over handling. A track that specifically tests handling would be slower and twistier. This is not sour grapes; people have been saying this for decades.
  - tsunamifury 3y ago
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  - AtlasBarfed 3y ago
    Hm I think you're right. I must have been thinking of Laguna Seca. Of course, I'm assuming THAT isn't a "real sports car course" either.
    - wherefour 3y ago
      People race motorcycles at Laguna Seca. Several of them are faster than the Plaid. Are they sports cars too?

Its not a sports car. Besides, BMW M4 CSL, Jaguar XE project 8, BMW M3, Mercedes AMG 63 GT have faster lap times.

by timc3 3y ago

Its not a sports car. Besides, BMW M4 CSL, Jaguar XE project 8, BMW M3, Mercedes AMG 63 GT have faster lap times.

Fine. At the time when it ran that time it was the fastest, and faster than practically every sports car ever made. The nurburgring is about the most sports car track ever made. I don't really know how to measure anything about a car's sportiness other than its speed around the track generally agreed to be the most "Gran Turismo" style. If you want your own personal gatekeeping standards for "true sports car", whatever. When batteries double in density in the next ten years, your gatekeeping will look even more ridiculous. The ICE drivetrain is a zombie at this point that is surviving on inertia and the incompetence of legacy automakers.

wherefour 3y ago
> Fine. At the time when it ran that time it was the fastest, See here: https://www.hotcars.com/fastest-sedans-around-the-nurburgring/#2019-mercedes-amg-gt-63-s---7-25-41 https://www.hotcars.com/fastest-sedans-around-the-nurburgrin... And join with the list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times#Lap_times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N%C3%BCrburgring_Nords... All five sedans that beat the Model S around the Nürburgring drove their laps earlier. The Plaid has only ever been the sixth fastest sedan around the 'ring. Which is excellent, but not what you said. >and faster than practically every sports car ever made. It isn't. It loses even to the 2012 Nissan GT-R or 2007 911 GT2. It loses to any of the faster 911s by nearly a minute. It is faster than some sports cars, but not recent sports cars at a similar price. How is it that the Plaid, despite being one of the fastest cars on the road in a straight line, loses quite badly to cars with half the power? Because there is much more to performance than just acceleration. The cars you disparage are dramatically better in the corners than the Plaid. >The nurburgring is about the most sports car track ever made. I don't quite know what this means, but I don't think it's true. The use of the 'ring as a benchmark is often criticized because it rewards power over handling. A track that specifically tests handling would be slower and twistier. This is not sour grapes; people have been saying this for decades.
- tsunamifury 3y ago
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- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  Hm I think you're right. I must have been thinking of Laguna Seca. Of course, I'm assuming THAT isn't a "real sports car course" either.
  - wherefour 3y ago
    People race motorcycles at Laguna Seca. Several of them are faster than the Plaid. Are they sports cars too?