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Have you been to anything involving kids performing in front of parents? Half of them are experiencing it through their phone. Very few people experience moment

Have you been to anything involving kids performing in front of parents? Half of them are experiencing it through their phone. Very few people experience moments directly. The funny part is that unless something crazy happens very few of those videos ever get watched.

quitit 3y ago
I feel that's not a reasonable comparison, filming something with a camera versus wearing a headset. While I agree that holding up a phone in front of your face presents some degree of being disconnected from the action, I feel wearing a headset where one's entire view of the scene is a computed feed via cameras is totally disconnected. So I do still agree that it wasn't a reasonable suggestion that people would be filming important life events while wearing their APV headset.
- ptd 3y ago
  Just out of curiosity-how old are you? This pushback reminds me of teachers trying to fight phones in the classroom.
  - quitit 3y ago
    It's a human behaviour questions. So I don't feel my age is relevant here, since I am not everyone. If you think it's reasonable that a person is going to be strapped into a headset at a child's birthday party, then that is indicative of what you believe would be socially normal or acceptable behaviour. I dare say other family members or guests won't see it that way. In my opinion the idea of any person walking around with a headset on in social settings is not realistic. There is a not subtle difference between picking up a phone and filming something versus living an event where the only visual stimulus one receives is a second hand video feed. The discussion here seems to be pinned to an idea that this is equivalent, I can say very confidently that it is not. Side note: I don't live in a bubble, I'm pretty accustomed to watching the stage via other people's phone screens when I don't have a direct view. I also film when I have someone in mind to share it with. However the idea that people are filming to use the footage is largely wrong, they're excited and enjoying the moment and want to capture that somehow, so out comes the phone, they might show some of it to a friend later, or a social post, but largely it's unused and not looked back upon. This behaviour is not comparable to wearing a headset.
    - paulmd 3y ago
      > If you think it's reasonable that a person is going to be strapped into a headset at a child's birthday party, then that is indicative of what you believe would be socially normal or acceptable behaviour. I dare say other family members or guests won't see it that way. > In my opinion the idea of any person walking around with a headset on in social settings is not realistic. which is precisely why apple is selling the concept of the curved front display, with high-res internal cameras to pass through an image of your face and eyes. if they can pull it off well, it should look like your normal face, so the appropriate social cues will be there.
      - quitit 3y ago
        >which is precisely why apple is selling the concept of the curved front display ... This feature of the headset is so others can pop-in, or gauge when the user is unavailable (i.e. when the wearer's eyes are entirely occluded.) Which is how those features were largely demonstrated by Apple(sans one setting where everyone in a meeting was wearing one). While this makes accomodations for a person wearing a headset it doesn't "unwear" it and doesn't solve the issues around wearing a headset in public/social situations. There was significant umbrage taken to Google Glass (and still to Spectacles by Snap) and these both are relatively minor adornments in comparison. Even those wearing ordinary motorcycle helmets run into similar. It's not an old-fashioned thing, it's a human connection issue, some people don't even like speaking through protective glass shielding. At this stage we are quite far down the rabbit hole from the original conjecture. There indeed seems to be a small number of respondents that feel singularly wearing a headset in public won't be irksome for others, or be too disconnected from reality - time will tell how this pans out. I feel there is already sufficient evidence, but a few aren't convinced. Thus the feature from Apple to allow the recording of spatial video directly from an iPhone, without needing to adorn the AVP seems to be the pragmatic and realistic use case scenario.
dahwolf 3y ago
Well, not anymore. You can now take a wide landscape shot of some beautiful scenery, and then go home and sit on a couch all by yourself to look at it with a VisionPro. Allegedly, it's impressive, almost like you were there ;)
vel0city 3y ago
I definitely try and be mindful about when I'm pulling out a camera or my phone to record versus being in the moment, but I do know in my family we tend to look at the stuff we record pretty often. Just about every other night before we go to bed one of the kids is saying "I want to look at pictures", aka lets go flip through some random spots in our lives and relive those memories together for ten minutes as we wind down in the evening.
- quitit 3y ago
  This thread has turned into an acid test for exhibiting spectrum behaviour. There are a few fervent voices that don't see any issue at all, neither for themselves or others around them. They're perfectly entitled to share this view, this isn't a criticism of that - it's more an interesting display of what people see as normal or acceptable. I sit on the other side of the fence. I pay respect to the fact that in our world there are people that get upset about a simple plastic protective barrier, or someone not taking off their motorcycle helmet, or those wearing any technology that films them such as Google Glass or Snap's Spectacles, and even laws about filming others, displays or media. We have more than enough dot points to know that wearing a headset like the Apple Vision Pro in such a social setting is going to be bothersome for others (and for most, the wearer as well). Apple needed to demonstrate the feature and did so accordingly, but just because it's Apple doesn't mean it's now socially normal. It seems clear that the primary use case will be filming spatial video on an iPhone and then using/experiencing that later. Especially as this means multiple angles can be captured spatially without special equipment.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Oh, yeah, I agree I don't know I like the idea of going to a kids dance recital and seeing people with the Apple Goggles on. I was mostly addressing this idea: > The funny part is that unless something crazy happens very few of those videos ever get watched. I do agree some percentage of people definitely just shoot long videos and take a million pictures that nobody looks at, but in my household we look at them all the time. But I'll only take like one or two photos and a short 10 second video of my kid going down a slide, not try and record the entire trip to the playground every time.
greymalik 3y ago
Or been to a concert in the last 10 years? Nothing but a sea of phones.
- paint 3y ago
  Then you're going to the wrong concerts. Lil Pump? Maybe. (Not to say anything against hip hop as a genre, but i've seen insta stories and as you say they're just seas of phone screens in the crowd. Disgusting) At good jazz or alt rock concerts people take their phone out to take a few videos and pictures and then enjoy the rest of the show. For the really good concerts they make you put a sticker on the camera of your phone.
pertymcpert 3y ago
I regularly go back through my videos of my kids and watch them, and show them to my wife next to me. We then both feel emotional seeing how small they were. And since the Photos app introduced the memories feature, where it creates montage videos of themes like "baby years" or "summer 2022", you don't even need to go back yourself. We might be the unusual case, but we exist!

quitit 3y ago

I feel that's not a reasonable comparison, filming something with a camera versus wearing a headset. While I agree that holding up a phone in front of your face presents some degree of being disconnected from the action, I feel wearing a headset where one's entire view of the scene is a computed feed via cameras is totally disconnected. So I do still agree that it wasn't a reasonable suggestion that people would be filming important life events while wearing their APV headset.

ptd 3y ago
Just out of curiosity-how old are you? This pushback reminds me of teachers trying to fight phones in the classroom.
- quitit 3y ago
  It's a human behaviour questions. So I don't feel my age is relevant here, since I am not everyone. If you think it's reasonable that a person is going to be strapped into a headset at a child's birthday party, then that is indicative of what you believe would be socially normal or acceptable behaviour. I dare say other family members or guests won't see it that way. In my opinion the idea of any person walking around with a headset on in social settings is not realistic. There is a not subtle difference between picking up a phone and filming something versus living an event where the only visual stimulus one receives is a second hand video feed. The discussion here seems to be pinned to an idea that this is equivalent, I can say very confidently that it is not. Side note: I don't live in a bubble, I'm pretty accustomed to watching the stage via other people's phone screens when I don't have a direct view. I also film when I have someone in mind to share it with. However the idea that people are filming to use the footage is largely wrong, they're excited and enjoying the moment and want to capture that somehow, so out comes the phone, they might show some of it to a friend later, or a social post, but largely it's unused and not looked back upon. This behaviour is not comparable to wearing a headset.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    > If you think it's reasonable that a person is going to be strapped into a headset at a child's birthday party, then that is indicative of what you believe would be socially normal or acceptable behaviour. I dare say other family members or guests won't see it that way. > In my opinion the idea of any person walking around with a headset on in social settings is not realistic. which is precisely why apple is selling the concept of the curved front display, with high-res internal cameras to pass through an image of your face and eyes. if they can pull it off well, it should look like your normal face, so the appropriate social cues will be there.
    - quitit 3y ago
      >which is precisely why apple is selling the concept of the curved front display ... This feature of the headset is so others can pop-in, or gauge when the user is unavailable (i.e. when the wearer's eyes are entirely occluded.) Which is how those features were largely demonstrated by Apple(sans one setting where everyone in a meeting was wearing one). While this makes accomodations for a person wearing a headset it doesn't "unwear" it and doesn't solve the issues around wearing a headset in public/social situations. There was significant umbrage taken to Google Glass (and still to Spectacles by Snap) and these both are relatively minor adornments in comparison. Even those wearing ordinary motorcycle helmets run into similar. It's not an old-fashioned thing, it's a human connection issue, some people don't even like speaking through protective glass shielding. At this stage we are quite far down the rabbit hole from the original conjecture. There indeed seems to be a small number of respondents that feel singularly wearing a headset in public won't be irksome for others, or be too disconnected from reality - time will tell how this pans out. I feel there is already sufficient evidence, but a few aren't convinced. Thus the feature from Apple to allow the recording of spatial video directly from an iPhone, without needing to adorn the AVP seems to be the pragmatic and realistic use case scenario.

dahwolf 3y ago

Well, not anymore. You can now take a wide landscape shot of some beautiful scenery, and then go home and sit on a couch all by yourself to look at it with a VisionPro. Allegedly, it's impressive, almost like you were there ;)

vel0city 3y ago

I definitely try and be mindful about when I'm pulling out a camera or my phone to record versus being in the moment, but I do know in my family we tend to look at the stuff we record pretty often. Just about every other night before we go to bed one of the kids is saying "I want to look at pictures", aka lets go flip through some random spots in our lives and relive those memories together for ten minutes as we wind down in the evening.

quitit 3y ago
This thread has turned into an acid test for exhibiting spectrum behaviour. There are a few fervent voices that don't see any issue at all, neither for themselves or others around them. They're perfectly entitled to share this view, this isn't a criticism of that - it's more an interesting display of what people see as normal or acceptable. I sit on the other side of the fence. I pay respect to the fact that in our world there are people that get upset about a simple plastic protective barrier, or someone not taking off their motorcycle helmet, or those wearing any technology that films them such as Google Glass or Snap's Spectacles, and even laws about filming others, displays or media. We have more than enough dot points to know that wearing a headset like the Apple Vision Pro in such a social setting is going to be bothersome for others (and for most, the wearer as well). Apple needed to demonstrate the feature and did so accordingly, but just because it's Apple doesn't mean it's now socially normal. It seems clear that the primary use case will be filming spatial video on an iPhone and then using/experiencing that later. Especially as this means multiple angles can be captured spatially without special equipment.
- vel0city 3y ago
  Oh, yeah, I agree I don't know I like the idea of going to a kids dance recital and seeing people with the Apple Goggles on. I was mostly addressing this idea: > The funny part is that unless something crazy happens very few of those videos ever get watched. I do agree some percentage of people definitely just shoot long videos and take a million pictures that nobody looks at, but in my household we look at them all the time. But I'll only take like one or two photos and a short 10 second video of my kid going down a slide, not try and record the entire trip to the playground every time.

greymalik 3y ago

Or been to a concert in the last 10 years? Nothing but a sea of phones.

paint 3y ago
Then you're going to the wrong concerts. Lil Pump? Maybe. (Not to say anything against hip hop as a genre, but i've seen insta stories and as you say they're just seas of phone screens in the crowd. Disgusting) At good jazz or alt rock concerts people take their phone out to take a few videos and pictures and then enjoy the rest of the show. For the really good concerts they make you put a sticker on the camera of your phone.

pertymcpert 3y ago

I regularly go back through my videos of my kids and watch them, and show them to my wife next to me. We then both feel emotional seeing how small they were. And since the Photos app introduced the memories feature, where it creates montage videos of themes like "baby years" or "summer 2022", you don't even need to go back yourself. We might be the unusual case, but we exist!