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Any details about USB-C? I bet this USB-C implementation is not standard compliant in a typical Apple way.

by simbas 3y ago

stouset 3y ago
Which Apple device has shipped with a non-standard USB implementation?
- drdaeman 3y ago
  Quite a stretch and not exactly a standardization issue (more like if something useful is implemented/supported or not), but lack of DisplayPort MST in MacBooks had upset some folks. More on point - the speculation about real fast charging requiring Apple-blessed circuitry is - AFAIK - still neither proven nor refuted.
  - dmitrygr 3y ago
    > lack of DisplayPort MST in MacBooks had upset some folks MST has serious drawbacks. Not supporting it could be for reasons of not wanting to deliver a subpar experience.
- lowbloodsugar 3y ago
  I’ve got a number of USB storage devices that work on my intel macs but none of my silicon macs. One was a brand associated with mac. That could be because the devices themselves are not spec and the intel macs are more tolerant, but as a customer the result is the same: shit don’t work on m1.
falcolas 3y ago
You're at least partially correct since they require a MFI approved cable to reach USB 3 speeds. Otherwise you're limited to USB 2 speeds.
- chx 3y ago
  Any source to this? Because I think Alex Agius Saliba will have an unkind word to Apple if they try to pull that shit.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/05/06/apple-iphone-15-pro-max-usb-c-upgrade-speed-data-warning/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/05/06/apple-ip... (there were a number of articles around this time which are now buried by Google et.al.) However, it does look like Apple may have walked this back post-rumor. I genuinely hope they did. We'll find out soon enough.
    - falcolas 3y ago
      Looks like it wasn't segregated by MFI in the end, but by model. Pro gets 3.0, standard gets 2.0. Whee. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37497199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37497199
      - chx 3y ago
        well, that is fully compliant The goal of the EU legislation is to avoid people needing special chargers and cables per device.
- piperswe 3y ago
  Source? I've heard rumors but I don't think they mentioned MFi at all in this event.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    See sibling comment.
- DRW_ 3y ago
  I can't find any reference to this on Apple's website. They simply they a USB3 cable is required to get USB3 speeds, which I assume they don't ship in the box.
Y-bar 3y ago
EU would have field day with that (if you were correct, which I bet you are not) considering they require standards-compliant USB-C by law.
ShakataGaNai 3y ago
It charges via USB-C, it does USB 3 data if you have the Pro. > Now you can connect USB‑C gear like thumb drives, fast external storage, 4K displays, and microphones. And you can charge Apple Watch or AirPods from your iPhone.9 > Charge up to 50% in around 30 minutes10 with the 20W USB‑C Power Adapter (sold separately). Seems like totally bog standard USB-C, just like the rest of their devices.

Any details about USB-C? I bet this USB-C implementation is not standard compliant in a typical Apple way.

by simbas 3y ago

Any details about USB-C? I bet this USB-C implementation is not standard compliant in a typical Apple way.

stouset 3y ago

Which Apple device has shipped with a non-standard USB implementation?

drdaeman 3y ago
Quite a stretch and not exactly a standardization issue (more like if something useful is implemented/supported or not), but lack of DisplayPort MST in MacBooks had upset some folks. More on point - the speculation about real fast charging requiring Apple-blessed circuitry is - AFAIK - still neither proven nor refuted.
- dmitrygr 3y ago
  > lack of DisplayPort MST in MacBooks had upset some folks MST has serious drawbacks. Not supporting it could be for reasons of not wanting to deliver a subpar experience.
lowbloodsugar 3y ago
I’ve got a number of USB storage devices that work on my intel macs but none of my silicon macs. One was a brand associated with mac. That could be because the devices themselves are not spec and the intel macs are more tolerant, but as a customer the result is the same: shit don’t work on m1.

falcolas 3y ago

You're at least partially correct since they require a MFI approved cable to reach USB 3 speeds. Otherwise you're limited to USB 2 speeds.

chx 3y ago
Any source to this? Because I think Alex Agius Saliba will have an unkind word to Apple if they try to pull that shit.
- falcolas 3y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/05/06/apple-iphone-15-pro-max-usb-c-upgrade-speed-data-warning/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2023/05/06/apple-ip... (there were a number of articles around this time which are now buried by Google et.al.) However, it does look like Apple may have walked this back post-rumor. I genuinely hope they did. We'll find out soon enough.
  - falcolas 3y ago
    Looks like it wasn't segregated by MFI in the end, but by model. Pro gets 3.0, standard gets 2.0. Whee. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37497199 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37497199
    - chx 3y ago
      well, that is fully compliant The goal of the EU legislation is to avoid people needing special chargers and cables per device.
piperswe 3y ago
Source? I've heard rumors but I don't think they mentioned MFi at all in this event.
- falcolas 3y ago
  See sibling comment.
DRW_ 3y ago
I can't find any reference to this on Apple's website. They simply they a USB3 cable is required to get USB3 speeds, which I assume they don't ship in the box.

Y-bar 3y ago

EU would have field day with that (if you were correct, which I bet you are not) considering they require standards-compliant USB-C by law.

ShakataGaNai 3y ago

It charges via USB-C, it does USB 3 data if you have the Pro. > Now you can connect USB‑C gear like thumb drives, fast external storage, 4K displays, and microphones. And you can charge Apple Watch or AirPods from your iPhone.9 > Charge up to 50% in around 30 minutes10 with the 20W USB‑C Power Adapter (sold separately). Seems like totally bog standard USB-C, just like the rest of their devices.