> Django is just Python. Rails is just Ruby. There's nothing special to them and extending when necessary is often trivial, particularly because they have such

> Django is just Python. Rails is just Ruby. There's nothing special to them and extending when necessary is often trivial, particularly because they have such mature extension points. Eh, I wouldn't agree with that. Both Django and Rails extend the languages quite a bit with deep class overloading, reflection and fluidic approaches. Especially Rails, which pushes Ruby's DSL-like abilities to an extreme. If you go from learning RoR to then having to make a standard Ruby script, you quickly realize how much of what you built relied on Rails-specific functionality. Django, more or less, is just Python with a bunch of logic built for you, relative to that.