Very much agree...and furthermore: > It doesn't necessarily follow from this that we should be optimistic about the fundamental correctness of our best theorie

Very much agree...and furthermore: > It doesn't necessarily follow from this that we should be optimistic about the fundamental correctness of our best theories in the physical sciences. The disagreement was over the universe, so my first question is: does "the universe" include humans, or not (and: who decides the fact of the matter)? Because all one has to do is watch the news to realize we certainly don't have everything fully figured out....I often wonder if our (from my vantage point anyways) belief that we "pretty much"[1] do may exacerbate this. [1] Colloquial language, figures of speech, etc are a fantastic and endless source of delusion, that typically cannot be realized.