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Unlimited PTO is a scam and if anything makes an offer look less attractive.

by dsm4ck 3y ago

hhmc 3y ago
I've seen (rarely) unlimited with enforced minimum, which fixes the worst problems
- leetrout 3y ago
  This is the best case scenario. I too subscribe to "unlimited PTO" being a scam. 1. It is NOT unlimited and should be illegal to advertise that 2. It is still at management discretion so it's not like you can be sure you can always take off whenever you want. 3. It is usually capped at 2 or 3 consecutive weeks so even if there is a minimum of 4 weeks you can't take all 4 at once at many companies. 4. Companies are happy to nickel and dime you but they abhor it happening to them and this is, IMO, largely a play to avoid vacation accrual and/or vacation time payout. Then there's stuff like this: > Paid time off (PTO) is not considered part of an employee's salary, so it can be docked without jeopardizing the employee's exempt status ... the court held that PTO is a fringe benefit with monetary value, not a component of salary under federal law. https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/paid-time-off-deduction.aspx https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/...
- eb0la 3y ago
  For me it has two problems: - Legal - in some places people has the right to take a minimum vacation days per year. If you as a manager don't enforce a minimum, then you're putting a legal risk. - Personal - When I joined the team one person had 6 vacation days last year. She was burnt but didn't knew it. It was hard to notice since she was an hyperactive person that took long hours because she lived in a place where nothing to do. Having mandatory time off made her think about her life.
eb0la 3y ago
Depends on how it is managed. We have unlimited PTO, AND I require _all_ team members to have a minimum (22) vacation days. It it is a concern to you, please ask during interview.

Unlimited PTO is a scam and if anything makes an offer look less attractive.

by dsm4ck 3y ago

Unlimited PTO is a scam and if anything makes an offer look less attractive.

hhmc 3y ago

I've seen (rarely) unlimited with enforced minimum, which fixes the worst problems

leetrout 3y ago
This is the best case scenario. I too subscribe to "unlimited PTO" being a scam. 1. It is NOT unlimited and should be illegal to advertise that 2. It is still at management discretion so it's not like you can be sure you can always take off whenever you want. 3. It is usually capped at 2 or 3 consecutive weeks so even if there is a minimum of 4 weeks you can't take all 4 at once at many companies. 4. Companies are happy to nickel and dime you but they abhor it happening to them and this is, IMO, largely a play to avoid vacation accrual and/or vacation time payout. Then there's stuff like this: > Paid time off (PTO) is not considered part of an employee's salary, so it can be docked without jeopardizing the employee's exempt status ... the court held that PTO is a fringe benefit with monetary value, not a component of salary under federal law. https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/employment-law/pages/paid-time-off-deduction.aspx https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtools/legal-and-compliance/...
eb0la 3y ago
For me it has two problems: - Legal - in some places people has the right to take a minimum vacation days per year. If you as a manager don't enforce a minimum, then you're putting a legal risk. - Personal - When I joined the team one person had 6 vacation days last year. She was burnt but didn't knew it. It was hard to notice since she was an hyperactive person that took long hours because she lived in a place where nothing to do. Having mandatory time off made her think about her life.

eb0la 3y ago

Depends on how it is managed. We have unlimited PTO, AND I require _all_ team members to have a minimum (22) vacation days. It it is a concern to you, please ask during interview.