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Only if you spam. That's why they're called "spam blacklists". You can spam inadvertently, of course, e. g. if you (or someone else you gave an email on your d

by akho 3y ago

Only if you spam. That's why they're called "spam blacklists". You can spam inadvertently, of course, e. g. if you (or someone else you gave an email on your domain) get pwned. That's problematic. The issue is still overblown.

Yizahi 3y ago
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've read that some blacklists operate on the guilty until proven innocent basis and owner needs to prove that he is legit first, to each blocklist separately. Is it true? I also regularly see comments like "just configure DMARK, and BLA and BLABLA and another ten items, and maintain them up to date forever, and you will be fine". Would I need to learn and do all this if want to use custom domain with some provider like Protonmail or Fastmail?
- 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
  Services like Fastmail provide clear step-by-step instructions on what you need to configure. Typically you need to add some DNS records (MX, SPF, DMARC, DKIM), and that's it. It sounds way worse than it is and it takes 10 minutes tops if you've never done it before, less if you know what you're doing. Getting out of blacklists is you email provider's problem, not yours. I've never heard of any domain owner who is not hosting their own server run into this. I can see it happening if you use the same domain for your servers, one of them gets compromised and starts sending lots of spam. So you should probably avoid using your personal domains for your servers, and definitely skip crappy TLDs like .xyz, and you'll be fine: https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/ https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/
- akho 3y ago
  > Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've read that some blacklists operate on the guilty until proven innocent basis and owner needs to prove that he is legit first, to each blocklist separately. No, I don't know of any public blocklists that operate that way. The big providers (msft & goog) have reputation mechanisms though, which can be volatile for a new domain. Getting that reputation to a hard blacklist requires that you genuinely spam, but some early mails may end up in junk folders anyway. > Would I need to learn and do all this if want to use custom domain with some provider like Protonmail or Fastmail? No. Your provider will give you instructions on how to set up your DNS records. The last relevant standard is from 2015, it's somewhat unlikely that you'll have to update these things often. Your provider should tell you if anything needs updating.
- Groxx 3y ago
  Hosting your own email system in its entirety out of your domain, i.e. becoming a mail host, does run into this, yes. Primarily around sending issues to other major hosts - you can do it and email yourself / within your domain just fine, but Gmail will probably block your messages. Using your domain with an established provider has absolutely zero of those issues. That's super simple and works everywhere immediately.

by akho 3y ago

Yizahi 3y ago

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've read that some blacklists operate on the guilty until proven innocent basis and owner needs to prove that he is legit first, to each blocklist separately. Is it true? I also regularly see comments like "just configure DMARK, and BLA and BLABLA and another ten items, and maintain them up to date forever, and you will be fine". Would I need to learn and do all this if want to use custom domain with some provider like Protonmail or Fastmail?

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
Services like Fastmail provide clear step-by-step instructions on what you need to configure. Typically you need to add some DNS records (MX, SPF, DMARC, DKIM), and that's it. It sounds way worse than it is and it takes 10 minutes tops if you've never done it before, less if you know what you're doing. Getting out of blacklists is you email provider's problem, not yours. I've never heard of any domain owner who is not hosting their own server run into this. I can see it happening if you use the same domain for your servers, one of them gets compromised and starts sending lots of spam. So you should probably avoid using your personal domains for your servers, and definitely skip crappy TLDs like .xyz, and you'll be fine: https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/ https://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/tlds/
akho 3y ago
> Maybe I'm mistaken, but I've read that some blacklists operate on the guilty until proven innocent basis and owner needs to prove that he is legit first, to each blocklist separately. No, I don't know of any public blocklists that operate that way. The big providers (msft & goog) have reputation mechanisms though, which can be volatile for a new domain. Getting that reputation to a hard blacklist requires that you genuinely spam, but some early mails may end up in junk folders anyway. > Would I need to learn and do all this if want to use custom domain with some provider like Protonmail or Fastmail? No. Your provider will give you instructions on how to set up your DNS records. The last relevant standard is from 2015, it's somewhat unlikely that you'll have to update these things often. Your provider should tell you if anything needs updating.
Groxx 3y ago
Hosting your own email system in its entirety out of your domain, i.e. becoming a mail host, does run into this, yes. Primarily around sending issues to other major hosts - you can do it and email yourself / within your domain just fine, but Gmail will probably block your messages. Using your domain with an established provider has absolutely zero of those issues. That's super simple and works everywhere immediately.