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North Korea uses linux.

by bobsmooth 3y ago

consumer451 3y ago
Cool, well then we may as well opensource the Columbia-class submarine design!
- Conscat 3y ago
  North Korea actually doesn't adhere to the kernel's GPL license. I wonder if anyone will ever be brave enough to sue them for copyright infringement.
- natch 3y ago
  I for one agree we should not, but also we shouldn't underestimate our opponents and assume that we are or will stay ahead.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    I agree with that. But when ChatGPT was made public, I read of Chinese citizens complaining about how far behind they were. I see OSS LLMs along the same lines as the Rolls Royce Nene being sold to the USSR in 1946, or the captured AIM-9 being "the Rosetta Stone" for Soviet engineers as far as missile design. I mean, will Kremlin or CCP engineers contribute their PRs to OSS LLMs? This seems so utterly naive to me on the part of the OSS religious.[0] And maybe just egoistical on the part of Meta. As in, Meta has to win, no matter what. See: Rohingya genocide. I am really curious if there are any real AI safely folks at Meta, and what they think of this. [0] I was once religious about OSS, but then I realized that not all products are the same.
    - smoldesu 3y ago
      > I mean, will Kremlin or CCP engineers contribute their PRs to OSS LLMs? Nobody can. That's not how model training works. They can however finetune those models and redistribute them, and many do. It's trivial, and I've seen people from all over the world publish models on HuggingFace. Will state-sponsored engineers upstream their work? No, but fat chance anyways. It's not like andrew Tannenbaum is crying crocodile tears over all the MINIX patches the NSA never gave back. Open Source work acknowledges these use cases, and it relies on the piety of law to do what is right. Countries like China and Russia don't regularly adhere to copyright, so there's no reason to highlight their failure to work with copyleft. It's a nothingburger. > I see OSS LLMs along the same lines as the Rolls Royce Nene being sold to the USSR in 1946 Why? It's text. It's trained on a big pile of data you can go download and take to China in a plane on a flash drive: https://pile.eleuther.ai/ https://pile.eleuther.ai/ It's like exporting the IP equivalent of Silly Putty. > I was once religious about OSS, but then I realized that not all products are the same. Products? No. Software? Yes.

North Korea uses linux.

consumer451 3y ago

Cool, well then we may as well opensource the Columbia-class submarine design!

Conscat 3y ago
North Korea actually doesn't adhere to the kernel's GPL license. I wonder if anyone will ever be brave enough to sue them for copyright infringement.
natch 3y ago
I for one agree we should not, but also we shouldn't underestimate our opponents and assume that we are or will stay ahead.
- consumer451 3y ago
  I agree with that. But when ChatGPT was made public, I read of Chinese citizens complaining about how far behind they were. I see OSS LLMs along the same lines as the Rolls Royce Nene being sold to the USSR in 1946, or the captured AIM-9 being "the Rosetta Stone" for Soviet engineers as far as missile design. I mean, will Kremlin or CCP engineers contribute their PRs to OSS LLMs? This seems so utterly naive to me on the part of the OSS religious.[0] And maybe just egoistical on the part of Meta. As in, Meta has to win, no matter what. See: Rohingya genocide. I am really curious if there are any real AI safely folks at Meta, and what they think of this. [0] I was once religious about OSS, but then I realized that not all products are the same.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    > I mean, will Kremlin or CCP engineers contribute their PRs to OSS LLMs? Nobody can. That's not how model training works. They can however finetune those models and redistribute them, and many do. It's trivial, and I've seen people from all over the world publish models on HuggingFace. Will state-sponsored engineers upstream their work? No, but fat chance anyways. It's not like andrew Tannenbaum is crying crocodile tears over all the MINIX patches the NSA never gave back. Open Source work acknowledges these use cases, and it relies on the piety of law to do what is right. Countries like China and Russia don't regularly adhere to copyright, so there's no reason to highlight their failure to work with copyleft. It's a nothingburger. > I see OSS LLMs along the same lines as the Rolls Royce Nene being sold to the USSR in 1946 Why? It's text. It's trained on a big pile of data you can go download and take to China in a plane on a flash drive: https://pile.eleuther.ai/ https://pile.eleuther.ai/ It's like exporting the IP equivalent of Silly Putty. > I was once religious about OSS, but then I realized that not all products are the same. Products? No. Software? Yes.