3 ms·

It's astonishing how much effort Google and other companies spend fighting their users.

haltist 3y ago
PeerTube is decentralized video sharing software that works with a federated protocol but not enough people choose to host their content on PeerTube. The problem isn't Google or the law on copyrighted content and who can make copies of it. The problem is people choose centralized content hosts like YouTube and all that it entails because it is more convenient than running and federating PeerTube nodes.
- Sebguer 3y ago
  Does Peertube address all of the moderation / illegal content problems enumerated here, as they relate especially to video? https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07
- d0gbread 3y ago
  You have your facts correct and your conclusion backwards.
  - haltist 3y ago
    Great feedback.
- shalomv 3y ago
  I remember an interesting project in 2009 from Opera called Opera Unite. Its goal was to turn the browser into a server so that you can share back out into the web. They had a few demos "apps" built in but sadly it never went anywhere. It's interesting to imagine how the structure of the web would have evolved if that idea took off. Here's their original post about it: https://dev.opera.com/blog/taking-the-web-into-our-own-hands/ https://dev.opera.com/blog/taking-the-web-into-our-own-hands...
  - haltist 3y ago
    I remember this. It was a very good idea.
- Animats 3y ago
  PeerTube is a useful form of decentralization. Each video is stored on its home site, but playout is distributed by making the browsers of people watching it share the streaming load. So if your video on your tiny PeerTube-connected site goes viral, your tiny site will not overload. All the viewers become redistribution nodes. At least in theory, this scales. The highest view count I can find on PeerTube is around 5K recent, not concurrent, views. I put technical videos on Hardlimit on PeerTube, because Google's ads are annoying and I don't need "discovery" or "followers". The videos are linked from discussions and papers. This works fine, but is not the usual use case, where people are seeking fame, fortune, or at least attention.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Do you have any recommendations for scaling out PeerTube?
    - Animats 3y ago
      It's a non-problem at the current user count.
izacus 3y ago
Google is offering download feature for paying users with a click. Asking you to pay them for the service and the creators that created the video isn't really fighting you is it? It's only "fighting" freeloaders.
- hollerith 3y ago
  By "download feature", do you mean download into private storage of the Youtube app of a smart phone (so that the video can be viewed when the phone is not connected) or do you mean download a video file that can be played in the player of the user's choice? (I'm asking because I've never been a paying user of Youtube.)
  - svieira 3y ago
    The former
  - xp84 3y ago
    This is fair, and yes it's 100% "download into an encrypted area on a closed platform device and self-destruct for no reason after 30 days," not "download it so that you have the video and can reliably play it offline or re-encode into a different format." YouTube itself is the lamest entity to be wasting time fighting youtube-dl because I doubt most creators want that protection. I can see why say, NBC.com or whoever doesn't want to be sued by the content owners for letting people download a show. But YouTube? The site that shows videos to anyone without a subscription? Interesting choice of where to focus your attention, Google.
- kam 3y ago
  And archivists. And people who prefer a different video player app or unsupported device.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  The bigger problem is the way they use that as an avenue to sell you more shit and "learn" more deeply about you. Hard pass. Let people watch what they want and stop trying to build a profile, maybe then they'll consider paying you. As it stands, there's just no prayer of doing that if you're linking your credit card to all that.
godzillabrennus 3y ago
Let us not forget that the viewers are the product. The “users” are somewhat comprised of the people buying premium and mostly comprised of the advertisers buying ads for eyeballs to see. Google doesn’t make money from ads if you download a video outside of their player. I pay for YouTube premium and can download a video to my phone in the app. It’s not perfect but it works.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  I am glad for all the paying people who care less about their privacy to the extent they can justify that. You matter, seriously. I'm being 100% genuine. I don't think the world (economically) would continue to turn if everyone was like me unfortunately. It would be a tradgedy of the uncommons
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

PeerTube is decentralized video sharing software that works with a federated protocol but not enough people choose to host their content on PeerTube. The problem isn't Google or the law on copyrighted content and who can make copies of it. The problem is people choose centralized content hosts like YouTube and all that it entails because it is more convenient than running and federating PeerTube nodes.

Sebguer 3y ago
Does Peertube address all of the moderation / illegal content problems enumerated here, as they relate especially to video? https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07 https://telegra.ph/why-not-matrix-08-07
d0gbread 3y ago
You have your facts correct and your conclusion backwards.
- haltist 3y ago
  Great feedback.
shalomv 3y ago
I remember an interesting project in 2009 from Opera called Opera Unite. Its goal was to turn the browser into a server so that you can share back out into the web. They had a few demos "apps" built in but sadly it never went anywhere. It's interesting to imagine how the structure of the web would have evolved if that idea took off. Here's their original post about it: https://dev.opera.com/blog/taking-the-web-into-our-own-hands/ https://dev.opera.com/blog/taking-the-web-into-our-own-hands...
- haltist 3y ago
  I remember this. It was a very good idea.
Animats 3y ago
PeerTube is a useful form of decentralization. Each video is stored on its home site, but playout is distributed by making the browsers of people watching it share the streaming load. So if your video on your tiny PeerTube-connected site goes viral, your tiny site will not overload. All the viewers become redistribution nodes. At least in theory, this scales. The highest view count I can find on PeerTube is around 5K recent, not concurrent, views. I put technical videos on Hardlimit on PeerTube, because Google's ads are annoying and I don't need "discovery" or "followers". The videos are linked from discussions and papers. This works fine, but is not the usual use case, where people are seeking fame, fortune, or at least attention.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Do you have any recommendations for scaling out PeerTube?
  - Animats 3y ago
    It's a non-problem at the current user count.

izacus 3y ago

Google is offering download feature for paying users with a click. Asking you to pay them for the service and the creators that created the video isn't really fighting you is it? It's only "fighting" freeloaders.

hollerith 3y ago
By "download feature", do you mean download into private storage of the Youtube app of a smart phone (so that the video can be viewed when the phone is not connected) or do you mean download a video file that can be played in the player of the user's choice? (I'm asking because I've never been a paying user of Youtube.)
- svieira 3y ago
  The former
- xp84 3y ago
  This is fair, and yes it's 100% "download into an encrypted area on a closed platform device and self-destruct for no reason after 30 days," not "download it so that you have the video and can reliably play it offline or re-encode into a different format." YouTube itself is the lamest entity to be wasting time fighting youtube-dl because I doubt most creators want that protection. I can see why say, NBC.com or whoever doesn't want to be sued by the content owners for letting people download a show. But YouTube? The site that shows videos to anyone without a subscription? Interesting choice of where to focus your attention, Google.
kam 3y ago
And archivists. And people who prefer a different video player app or unsupported device.
Obscurity4340 3y ago
The bigger problem is the way they use that as an avenue to sell you more shit and "learn" more deeply about you. Hard pass. Let people watch what they want and stop trying to build a profile, maybe then they'll consider paying you. As it stands, there's just no prayer of doing that if you're linking your credit card to all that.

godzillabrennus 3y ago

Let us not forget that the viewers are the product. The “users” are somewhat comprised of the people buying premium and mostly comprised of the advertisers buying ads for eyeballs to see. Google doesn’t make money from ads if you download a video outside of their player. I pay for YouTube premium and can download a video to my phone in the app. It’s not perfect but it works.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
I am glad for all the paying people who care less about their privacy to the extent they can justify that. You matter, seriously. I'm being 100% genuine. I don't think the world (economically) would continue to turn if everyone was like me unfortunately. It would be a tradgedy of the uncommons

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]