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Dealing with cheaters is good, but this is concerning: >Leone's use of cheat software constitutes "copyright infringement" of Destiny 2. Specifically, the chea

Dealing with cheaters is good, but this is concerning: >Leone's use of cheat software constitutes "copyright infringement" of Destiny 2. Specifically, the cheat software's "graphical overlay" and use of "inject[ed] code" creates an "unauthorized derivative work" that violates federal copyright law. The judgment imposes damages of $150,000 for violations on each of the two infringed works (seemingly encompassing Destiny 2 and its expansions) Will we start (mis)using copyright law against everything now? I don't see how cheat software is a derivative work. If he injected code into the game and then distributed the modified version of the game I could understand it, but that's not what the article says. Am I committing copyright infringement when Discord shows an overlay over a game I'm playing? Edit: tangentially related - if I translate a copyrighted text and only use it myself, is that copyright infringement?

PaulHoule 3y ago
According to the article, Bungie has won four copyright-based judgements against cheat software vendors, all of which were worth more than $6 million.
Arrath 3y ago
> Am I committing copyright infringement when Discord shows an overlay over a game I'm playing? God help those of us that use ReShade
killingtime74 3y ago
You raise many questions that took 2 units to cover in law school. If you want quick answers you can read the judgement and potentially future judgments if this is appealed. Some of those questions have no answers. Courts don't answer hypotheticals. Will have to wait for something to come up and be ruled on. It's common for things to never be ruled on. For example when I studied this, it was unknown whether TV formats like the Bachelor or MasterChef had copyright. No one tested it and everyone just licensed it. Not talking about the actual shows but the concept of the franchise. For example if you wanted to go make the Bachelor in Antarctica.
- rcme 3y ago
  > Courts don't answer hypotheticals. They definitely consider future implications of their rulings.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    > They definitely consider future implications of their rulings Appeals courts, especially the Supreme Court, areaware of the orecdential effect of their rulings, and write with an eye toward providing a rule (or specifically to avoid it), but this is a trial court, and perhaps more to the point, this is a consent judgement—a settlement by the parties that the judge signs off on.Settlements don’t deal with anything beyond resolving the immediateissues between the parties.
themoonisachees 3y ago
Translation specifically has a carve-out of DMCA, but yeah overall I agree.
Karellen 3y ago
Alternative analogy: if you scribble over the pages of a book you own, and write notes in the margins, is that committing copyright infringement?
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PaulHoule 3y ago

According to the article, Bungie has won four copyright-based judgements against cheat software vendors, all of which were worth more than $6 million.

Arrath 3y ago

> Am I committing copyright infringement when Discord shows an overlay over a game I'm playing? God help those of us that use ReShade

killingtime74 3y ago

You raise many questions that took 2 units to cover in law school. If you want quick answers you can read the judgement and potentially future judgments if this is appealed. Some of those questions have no answers. Courts don't answer hypotheticals. Will have to wait for something to come up and be ruled on. It's common for things to never be ruled on. For example when I studied this, it was unknown whether TV formats like the Bachelor or MasterChef had copyright. No one tested it and everyone just licensed it. Not talking about the actual shows but the concept of the franchise. For example if you wanted to go make the Bachelor in Antarctica.

rcme 3y ago
> Courts don't answer hypotheticals. They definitely consider future implications of their rulings.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > They definitely consider future implications of their rulings Appeals courts, especially the Supreme Court, areaware of the orecdential effect of their rulings, and write with an eye toward providing a rule (or specifically to avoid it), but this is a trial court, and perhaps more to the point, this is a consent judgement—a settlement by the parties that the judge signs off on.Settlements don’t deal with anything beyond resolving the immediateissues between the parties.

themoonisachees 3y ago

Translation specifically has a carve-out of DMCA, but yeah overall I agree.

Karellen 3y ago

Alternative analogy: if you scribble over the pages of a book you own, and write notes in the margins, is that committing copyright infringement?

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