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If that's your experience with an EV it's most likely a warranty issue. Happens with ICE cars as well. So far, battery degradation for EV batteries (Tesla's to

by tfourb 3y ago

If that's your experience with an EV it's most likely a warranty issue. Happens with ICE cars as well. So far, battery degradation for EV batteries (Tesla's to be exact) has been much less severe as has been feared: https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-data/ https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat... (also: I mistyped in my above comment. I meant to say 250.000km not 350.000 miles. Sorry about that)

CalRobert 3y ago
While you're at it you might as well go straight to Megameters which is much more fun.
JAlexoid 3y ago
So far most Teslas aren't exactly old enough to even consider using this data. We know ICEs can last for decades. We don't know how long Li-ion based EVs will last, practically. Theoretically they will not last as much as ICE. While we don't have conclusive data - let's not pretend that anything about EV's longevity is a fact. The only fact about EVs - they haven't been out long enough to make a statement based on empirical evidence. (Take it from an EV advocate in general and someone heavily invested in Tesla stock)
- tfourb 3y ago
  The Tesla Model S has been out for more than a decade by now. Nissan Leafs, Renault Zoes and a couple of others have been available as production cars in decent numbers for a similar length of time. Tesla says that Model S and X cars experience a 12% degradation after 200.000 miles on average. My 2016 Nissan Leaf fares slightly worse than that but it is built on considerably less advanced battery technology as Tesla's of the same era. Yes, batteries degrade to a certain extend. But especially with higher range cars, this seems to be an issue of limited severity and it certainly does not seem to impact i.e. resale values of EVs.
  - JAlexoid 3y ago
    > The Tesla Model S has been out for more than a decade by now. Which is hardly enough data, to make a claim that "people buy EVs less often". We will only be able to make that claim, after a while of EV usage - which should also include recycling of the batteries. > resale values of EVs Battery degradation definitely has little impact on EVs, it's also the case with ICE - the runtime of an engine doesn't affect the resale value. Mileage would be the primary objective number that impacts the resale value. My 2020 Tesla's resale value is up and down, regardless of the battery pack. It's very clear, that it has very little to do with the batteries.

by tfourb 3y ago

CalRobert 3y ago

While you're at it you might as well go straight to Megameters which is much more fun.

JAlexoid 3y ago

So far most Teslas aren't exactly old enough to even consider using this data. We know ICEs can last for decades. We don't know how long Li-ion based EVs will last, practically. Theoretically they will not last as much as ICE. While we don't have conclusive data - let's not pretend that anything about EV's longevity is a fact. The only fact about EVs - they haven't been out long enough to make a statement based on empirical evidence. (Take it from an EV advocate in general and someone heavily invested in Tesla stock)

tfourb 3y ago
The Tesla Model S has been out for more than a decade by now. Nissan Leafs, Renault Zoes and a couple of others have been available as production cars in decent numbers for a similar length of time. Tesla says that Model S and X cars experience a 12% degradation after 200.000 miles on average. My 2016 Nissan Leaf fares slightly worse than that but it is built on considerably less advanced battery technology as Tesla's of the same era. Yes, batteries degrade to a certain extend. But especially with higher range cars, this seems to be an issue of limited severity and it certainly does not seem to impact i.e. resale values of EVs.
- JAlexoid 3y ago
  > The Tesla Model S has been out for more than a decade by now. Which is hardly enough data, to make a claim that "people buy EVs less often". We will only be able to make that claim, after a while of EV usage - which should also include recycling of the batteries. > resale values of EVs Battery degradation definitely has little impact on EVs, it's also the case with ICE - the runtime of an engine doesn't affect the resale value. Mileage would be the primary objective number that impacts the resale value. My 2020 Tesla's resale value is up and down, regardless of the battery pack. It's very clear, that it has very little to do with the batteries.